zen Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) In 1952 at Lord's Mankad scored 72 & 184 (opening the inning and top scoring for India in both innings) and picked up 5 wkts in an inning. Though Eng won the test, it is referred to as Mankad's test! Scored 231 v NZ in 1956 (Gavaskar went past it in the 1984 series v WI iirc). Created the record breaking opening p'ship of 431 with Roy. Additionally, has two 8 wkts hauls - 8/55 v Eng and 8/52 v Pak. His passion for cricket is displayed through fables of him sleeping outside the stadiums .... Ind's first impact AR Edited August 21, 2020 by zen Gollum, sandeep, sorak and 6 others 2 7 Link to comment
zen Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 Mankad's performances in matches that Ind won. His contributions were huge in making Ind competitive Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Match result won match Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menuCleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 1946-1959 44 2109 231 31.47 5 162 8/52 32.32 8 33 0 -0.84 Profile filtered 1952-1956 5 563 231 112.60 2 41 8/52 13.31 4 8 0 99.28 Lord 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Bonafide legend of Indian cricket. Link to comment
Sooda Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Indian great. Does not have the fame he deserves tbh. Those runs at lords were opening against Truman and Bedser; also scored two in a match vs Lindwall and Miller in Australia. Batted in every position in the lineup, funnily enough. Even though he was such a good opener. Link to comment
zen Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Sooda said: Indian great. Does not have the fame he deserves tbh. Those runs at lords were opening against Truman and Bedser; also scored two in a match vs Lindwall and Miller in Australia. Batted in every position in the lineup, funnily enough. Even though he was such a good opener. Players like him provide a lot of flexibility to a team .... If he had played more on big turning pitches (relatively speaking) like the post 1990 ones in Ind, he could have won India a lot more matches with the ball Edited August 22, 2020 by zen Link to comment
zen Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) Bumrah and Mankad have the best bowling avg in wins for Ind among bowlers w/ 40 wkts or more: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Match result won match Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 40 Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 19 of 19 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 JJ Bumrah 2018-2019 6 12 1279 554 42 6/27 9/86 13.19 2.59 30.4 5 0 MH Mankad 1952-1956 5 10 1945 546 41 8/52 13/131 13.31 1.68 47.4 4 2 EAS Prasanna 1962-1978 15 30 4083 1427 81 8/76 11/140 17.61 2.09 50.4 5 1 BS Bedi 1968-1978 17 34 5241 1713 97 6/42 9/70 17.65 1.96 54.0 6 0 N Kapil Dev 1979-1994 23 46 3973 1606 89 7/56 11/146 18.04 2.42 44.6 3 1 A Kumble 1993-2008 35 70 10690 4516 245 10/74 14/149 18.43 2.53 43.6 18 5 J Srinath 1993-2002 12 24 2176 922 49 6/21 8/68 18.81 2.54 44.4 1 0 BS Chandrasekhar 1964-1978 14 28 4451 1889 98 6/38 12/104 19.27 2.54 45.4 8 1 R Ashwin 2011-2019 38 76 11165 4888 244 7/59 13/140 20.03 2.62 45.7 23 6 RA Jadeja 2013-2019 29 58 7821 3092 146 7/48 10/154 21.17 2.37 53.5 7 1 SLV Raju 1990-2001 12 24 3389 1231 58 6/12 11/125 21.22 2.17 58.4 4 1 Mohammed Shami 2013-2019 23 46 3576 1830 86 5/28 9/118 21.27 3.07 41.5 3 0 Harbhajan Singh 1999-2013 34 68 9838 4184 194 8/84 15/217 21.56 2.55 50.7 13 4 S Venkataraghavan 1965-1979 10 20 2854 965 41 8/72 12/152 23.53 2.02 69.6 2 1 PP Ojha 2009-2013 15 30 4570 2033 83 6/72 10/89 24.49 2.66 55.0 5 1 A Mishra 2008-2016 12 24 2663 1290 50 5/71 7/72 25.80 2.90 53.2 1 0 UT Yadav 2011-2019 26 52 3801 2043 79 6/88 10/133 25.86 3.22 48.1 1 1 I Sharma 2008-2019 37 74 6522 3149 121 7/74 8/74 26.02 2.89 53.9 3 0 Z Khan 2001-2012 27 53 5348 2728 100 5/72 9/134 27.28 3.06 53.4 3 0 Also Bumrah 5 5-ers in 12 innings, Mankad 4 5-ers in 10 innings .... Among batsmen with 500 or more runs in wins, Mankad also has the highest batting average w/ 2 100s in 6 innings Edited August 22, 2020 by zen Link to comment
zen Posted August 26, 2020 Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) On the 1948 tour to Aus (just after Independence): 3rd Test Melbourne: Picked up 4 wkts in the first inning, opened the batting to top score with 116 5th Test Melbourne: Top scored with 111 opening the batting PS if he had got the opportunity to play 3 tests at Melbourne, who knows he could have hit 3 100s in 3 tests there like Vengsarkar did at Lord's Edited August 26, 2020 by zen Link to comment
maniac Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 A great player for that era absolutely and a pioneer of Indian cricket. Link to comment
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 It is good to see GOI issue a stamp in his honor! .... And the Vinoo Mankad Trophy BacktoCricaddict 1 Link to comment
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 In Eng in 1952: sandeep and AuxiliA 2 Link to comment
zen Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 A nice write up - India's rock of ages Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 8/31/2020 at 4:13 PM, zen said: It is good to see GOI issue a stamp in his honor! .... And the Vinoo Mankad Trophy Don't forget the immortal verb - Mankading. zen, sage and Vijy 3 Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 According to Cricinfo, his full name is Mulvantrai Himmatlal Mankad. Himmatlal would be a great middle name for some other cricketers: Ravichandran Himmatlaalan Ashwin Gade Himmatulu Hanuma Vihari Link to comment
Majestic Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 An Indian great, just like Ravindra Jadeja and Ravichandran Ashwin. Neither are ATGs, although Ashwin as overall cricketer can be argued as one. Link to comment
zen Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Majestic said: An Indian great, just like Ravindra Jadeja and Ravichandran Ashwin. Neither are ATGs, although Ashwin as overall cricketer can be argued as one. Comparing a couple of modern cricketers to a great like Mankad is not on (esp. if done by looking randomly at some stats without understanding how the stats are made - Axar Patel has great stats too in Ind for e.g.) Mankad has opened for India in over 20 tests, scored 100s in Aus and Eng, picked up wkts on non-rank turners … And made a weak Indian side competitive … Arguably, Mankad is Ind’s greatest AR! Edited January 3, 2022 by zen Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Mankad was India's first all-rounder who can be deemed truly of int'l class. He was an ATG for India. And if he had been used more effectively, his record would be even better: (1) he should have opened more (his best position), and (2) been less bowled outside SC. He was a one-army in the rare wins India had. Not only did he have a ridiculously low bowling avg, his batting avg was incredibly high. If someone were to argue that he was greater than Kapil, that is debatable but it is possible/plausible. zen 1 Link to comment
Majestic Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 28 minutes ago, zen said: Comparing a couple of modern cricketers to a great like Mankad is not on (esp. if done by looking randomly at some stats without understanding how the stats are made - Axar Patel has great stats too in Ind for e.g.) Mankad has opened for India in over 20 tests, scored 100s in Aus and Eng, picked up wkts on non-rank turners … And made a weak Indian side competitive … Arguably, Mankad is Ind’s greatest AR! The comparison was done just to put in reference of how good Mankad was. Many would get tempted by looking at his stats. But those stats don't tell how good he was. A lot of younger fans would hype Ashwin and Jadeja at the level of Imran and Kapil based on stats while they might be seeing Mankad as Shastri level, which is a complete nonsense. zen 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Majestic said: The comparison was done just to put in reference of how good Mankad was. Many would get tempted by looking at his stats. But those stats don't tell how good he was. A lot of younger fans would hype Ashwin and Jadeja at the level of Imran and Kapil based on stats while they might be seeing Mankad as Shastri level, which is a complete nonsense. yes, it would be nonsense even statistically - Vinoo has a much better bowling record than shastri, and his batting is not far behind. Both he and shastri were effective openers, and not so good in middle order. And if one looks beyond stats, Vinoo was clearly an impact player Link to comment
zen Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) If I am forced to seek out a cricketer similar to Mankad in the modern era esp. based on impact for his team, one-man army qualities, and bowling spin, it would probably be Sanath Jayasuriya (esp. in LOIs), a legend in SL, a player known for his impact and looked beyond whatever his stats are. If Jayasuriya played for India, he would probably be in contention to be India's greatest AR too. Jayasuriya though played for a much stronger team than Mankad's India. Some time ago there was a thread here suggesting that Ross Taylor is as good or better than Viv Richards based on #s. In ODIs, Kohli and Rohit have better averages than Tendulkar. Edited January 3, 2022 by zen Link to comment
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