coffee_rules Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 43 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: They are not taking away MSP, but have not said that in writing. Put it in writing and let it go. It was never in writing. APMCs/states still set MSP ad,ministratively. Only private buyers can buy at any rate. even higher than MSP. What are APMCs and nexus between rich farmers and middlemen afraid of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: It was never in writing. APMCs/states still set MSP ad,ministratively. Only private buyers can buy at any rate. even higher than MSP. What are APMCs and nexus between rich farmers and middlemen afraid of? Gotthree. But now they want it in writing and that is a fair demand. Especially for wheat and rice where greater access for corporates may undercut prices for farmers. From the farmer's side, they should be incentivized to diversify their crops so they can hedge against surplus rice/wheat and the low prices that come with it. Once this is framed as a Hindu/Sikh/BJP/Cong issue, people take sides and all compromise is thrown out. And that is a pity. mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Nothing really stopping punjab gov from procuring the wheat n rice themselves right? Why dont punjab introduce this law of procuring from farmers a set amount and then selling it to corporations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanted_desi Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Nothing really stopping punjab gov from procuring the wheat n rice themselves right? Why dont punjab introduce this law of procuring from farmers a set amount and then selling it to corporations. It is quite simple: Corporation will not go to Punjab to purchase the wheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 And bjp have just done well in zp polls in Rajasthan. They have won jat areas like barmer zp for the first time ever. (Zilla parishad) I feel that outside punjab there is not much issue at all...even supposed support of jat farmers in Haryana appears to be thin. Imo punjab farmers should demand a law to be passed which suggests maintaining of mandis so that they have options. But thats it. Farmers should be allowed to sell to whom ever they want. Cricketics, randomGuy and dial_100 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Now protests have started in Chandigarh.. police have used lathis and water cannons. Have you noticed they are doing this in areas where the police is under Central Government.. so they call out police brutality under BJP. Why no such protests in Punjab cities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, LordPrabhzy said: Now protests have started in Chandigarh.. police have used lathis and water cannons. Have you noticed they are doing this in areas where the police is under Central Government.. so they call out police brutality under BJP. Why no such protests in Punjab cities? Its over, Kejri Sir and Akhilesh Yadav were absent but claimed that they were under house arrest which Police have denied, Probably after hearing Congress leader Randeep Surajewala was chased away by farmers with slogans behind “Bharat Mata ki Jai” Look above video posted by @BacktoCricaddict . Daily laboourers were duped by Kejri , who knows, they may have beaten him had he gone there. Farmers have more faith in India then probably we showed in them. I myself feel guilty of doubting on them. Bandh was called by Congress and political parties. Not Farmers Edited December 8, 2020 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Gotthree. But now they want it in writing and that is a fair demand. Especially for wheat and rice where greater access for corporates may undercut prices for farmers. From the farmer's side, they should be incentivized to diversify their crops so they can hedge against surplus rice/wheat and the low prices that come with it. Once this is framed as a Hindu/Sikh/BJP/Cong issue, people take sides and all compromise is thrown out. And that is a pity. https://www.insightsonindia.com/2019/11/08/punjab-preservation-of-subsoil-water-act-2009/ they won't do it. laws have been passed to delay sowing and transplantation of paddy. Unfortunately, this is also the reason Delhi becomes a toxic chamber in the Winter. Off-topic- 1 day of Diwali fireworks is harmful to environment, but this type of behavior is not criminalized. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Gotthree. But now they want it in writing and that is a fair demand. Especially for wheat and rice where greater access for corporates may undercut prices for farmers. From the farmer's side, they should be incentivized to diversify their crops so they can hedge against surplus rice/wheat and the low prices that come with it. Once this is framed as a Hindu/Sikh/BJP/Cong issue, people take sides and all compromise is thrown out. And that is a pity. MSP is beneficial only in P/H for wheat and paddy farmers. FCI has surplus of these crops in their godowns purchasing all the rice and wheat from these farmers at MSP. They don't want just in writing that MSP will not be abolished, but instead want repeal of laws. This sets a dangerous precedent. Setting MSP for all crops will cost a lot to the govt, when the surplus is spent only through PDS or to sell to corps at much lower price. This reform will give a choice to farmers to sell directly to private players at any price. All parties had these reforms in their manifesto, now they are opposing because P/H farmers are protesting. Initially, some Khalistanis came into the field, but not anymore. BJP should discuss these issues with farmers and not agree to any repealing of reforms, that corrects 94% of the rest of the farmers. Let the state government influence farmers to move away from surplus crops and grow something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, mishra said: Its over, Kejri Sir and Akhilesh Yadav were absent but claimed that they were under house arrest which Police have denied, Probably after hearing Congress leader Randeep Surajewala was chased away by farmers with slogans behind “Bharat Mata ki Jai” Look above video posted by @BacktoCricaddict . Daily laboourers were duped by Kejri , who knows, they may have beaten him had he gone there. Farmers have more faith in India then probably we showed in them. I myself feel guilty of doubting on them. Bandh was called by Congress and political parties. Not Farmers All of india is with farmers. We have to root out and Chuck away these political dalals and Khalistani tatte who are poisoning them. Opposition is using this to play politics. I never doubted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Punjab Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: Now protests have started in Chandigarh.. police have used lathis and water cannons. Have you noticed they are doing this in areas where the police is under Central Government.. so they call out police brutality under BJP. Why no such protests in Punjab cities? It has come to light that this has been planned for many years. Secretly coded, you just have to unravel the code: Chandigarh shehar diyan kudian att ne vi att ne Delhi da nakhra aa, Style ohda vakhra aa Edited December 9, 2020 by The Great Punjab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Punjab Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) On 12/7/2020 at 5:22 AM, coffee_rules said: There's immense support all over. From San Franscisco, Toronto, London to Punjab and beyond. From the common man to the celebs, everyone is supporting. Just like everyone was a #chowkidar. Atleast for the time period. Edited December 9, 2020 by The Great Punjab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Punjab Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Whatever little doubts were there previously, this episode has cemented that Indian Media and many political figures are a piece of $hit. The hoax of diverting the farmer's and conflating it to "Khalistanis" could be read from a mile away. These agencies, media, political figures, and even many on this site have a pre-determined angle that they back regardless of the ground zero situation. Just shows how easy it is to spread false news and propaganda through national and social media. A big middle finger to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, The Great Punjab said: There's immense support all over. From San Franscisco, Toronto, London to Punjab. From the common man to the celebs, everyone is supporting. Just like everyone was a #chowkidar. Atleast for the time period. you know how the chowkidar project ended in 2019! It resulted in a number 303! If there was enough support, BharatBandh would have been a success. Listen to neutrals like posted above, not brainwashed 4th class fail intellectuals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Punjab Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: you know how the chowkidar project ended in 2019! It resulted in a number 303! If there was enough support, BharatBandh would have been a success. Listen to neutrals like posted above, not brainwashed 4th class fail intellectuals It was in response to your 'tweet' post, Support for Farmers has been huge amongst Punjabis, hence everyone seems to be a farmer. Not to state the obvious, but "Jatt" is basically farmer whether in practice or not. Lots of support all over. Edited December 9, 2020 by The Great Punjab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 How can people lie with such a straight face? hearing them, about how MSP is gone. How with new farm laws, food will be 800 per kg? Why 800, why not 2000? Make it a bigger number and lie. And no media groups dare to question them. And people are missing one point, if it was for the farmers and their corrupt system, there should have been big food storage in this corona year. Yet, it was the government who build food reserves and direct cash methods to resolve it. We have to get rid of this rural fascination. Tax free Farmers get (over) paid to work, they dont do a favor. While the urban India or businessman are seen as chors, 2 number ka paisa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, The Great Punjab said: It was in response to your 'tweet' post, Support for Farmers has been huge amongst Punjabis, hence everyone seems to be a farmer. Not to state the obvious, but "Jatt" is basically farmer whether in practice or not. Lots of support all over. Even if you count every jatt as supporter, that's 21-25% of punjab. Silent majority among jatts also has nothing to do with agenda of getting the laws repealed, your Msp and Mandis are going nowhere. Not going to be able to blackmail the govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 It appears that farmers have rejected an offer from gov to give in writing that msp regime will stay. If true, it suggests that they are not there to negotiate anything. I mean seriously, who the hell do these people think they are? Basically India should never reform ever? raki05, someone, mishra and 4 others 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Apart from repealing of all farm bills (acts now), one of their demands is to release arrested naxal sympathizers, poets, academic people who are arrested for helping naxals kill people. People like Varavara Rao, who openly say and wrote about naxal law being above the law of the land, is a poet for these libtards. What have those people got to do with Punjab farmers? This is a CPI (mao), Congressi, Khalistani agenda, front for India’s enemies, funded by AAP, and foreign NGOs randomGuy and mishra 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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