Kohli needs to quickly decide the brand of cricket India wants to play- Safe or Aggresive

[Ankit_sharma03]

Before the game kohli said we will play attacking cricket and then he plays dhawan n iyer . 

 

 

 

The guy makes and excellent point about how TM is trying to play attacking cricket with safer batsman and lacking of bowling resources to make up for it 

 

I dnt think our bowling can defend 160 on most days unless opposition is below avg 

 

• Bumrah- Yorker % has gone down, teams also know him better now
• Chahal form has dipped
• Kuldeep is all lost
• Bhuvi - coming back after long injury
• Saini also have had injuries
• Chahar - again has been on off
• Thakur- not the brightest but not as bad
• shami- Does bowl a lot of length bowls at end

 

So either the bowling needs to have one match winner after another incase we want to play safe cricket or else we need batting that can give us extra runs most days. Sure off day will happen which will also happen with safe batting. England and WI have their game plan sought out, NZ is also looking our for best combination. Australia n India are struggling with format confusion for a while now . MI have had their plans sought out for years now which is why they are most successful franchise 

 

What ever the plan is be stubborn about it and decide quickly coz their aint much time left. We went on same path before 2019 Wc and same will happen again

 

[zen]

Eventually, Ind may need to start building a team such as below:

 

Kishan

KL

Samson

Pant

SKY

SDP

Tewatia 

A bowler who can bat / AR: Sundar, Krunal, Axar, Jadeja, Thakur, ...

3 Specialist bowlers: Bumrah, Natarajan, Shami, Bhuvi, Saini, R Chahar, Chahal, Varun C, ...

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, zen said:

Eventually, Ind may need to start building a team such as below:

this biggest challenge wud be whatever plan they decide they ll have to make players play acc for more then few games so they understand their roles better. Why do u think england send a full strength squad rather experimenting much. Their plan is fixed now they want everyone to play together n understand their roles so all can play as a team. 

 

 

We are very late for this, eventually india might stick to their safe plan only 

 

Same happened in 2019 wc when kohli gave all time to rayudu n co and ended up taking shankar, rahul, pant for no.4 . This might happen again midway in 2020 wc he ll change his whole game plan which team wont be prepared for

Edited March 12, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

We are very late for this, eventually india might stick to their safe plan only .

 

In Ind cricket, I have not seen any definite plans in place except maybe when Chappell tried to do a few things ... Ind cricket revolves around supporting established players. Once players make a name - the institution, fans (spamming the internet on the greatness of the cricketers), etc., all try to support those select few (often equating supporting cricket with patriotism), while everyone/everything else is expected to accommodate  

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Wait for more messed up selections aswe get closer to the T20 WC. The joker leading us was playing full strength teams in dead rubbers but suddenly wants to experiment in the last series before the WC.

 

In the end, he will ask for raging turners for the T20 WC and pin his hopes on Ashwin, Jadeja and Axar.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, zen said:

 

In Ind cricket, I have not seen any definite plans in place except maybe when Chappell tried to do a few things ... Ind cricket revolves around supporting established players. Once players make a name - the institution, fans (spamming the internet on the greatness of the cricketers), etc., all try to support those select few (often equating supporting cricket with patriotism), while everyone/everything else is expected to accommodate  

 

 

 

Dhoni n ganguly had plans 

 

Ganguly stuck by yuvi, kaif n bhajji over kumble in odi despite criticism 

 

Dhoni stuck by the players he wanted n game plan he wanted.  He made sure he gave enough games to dhawan rohit kohli jaddu ashwin before 2015 wc . 

 

 

[zen]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Dhoni n ganguly had plans 

 

Ganguly stuck by yuvi, kaif n bhajji over kumble in odi despite criticism 

 

Dhoni stuck by the players he wanted n game plan he wanted.  He made sure he gave enough games to dhawan rohit kohli jaddu ashwin before 2015 wc . 

 

 

 

That is not "plans" but backing certain players from a pool ... A plan involves strategies and tactics, goals, a road map, and so on 

[kirkutfan]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Before the game kohli said we will play attacking cricket and then he plays dhawan n iyer . 

 

 

 

The guy makes and excellent point about how TM is trying to play attacking cricket with safer batsman and lacking of bowling resources to make up for it 

 

I dnt think our bowling can defend 160 on most days unless opposition is below avg 

 

• Bumrah- Yorker % has gone down, teams also know him better now
• Chahal form has dipped
• Kuldeep is all lost
• Bhuvi - coming back after long injury
• Saini also have had injuries
• Chahar - again has been on off
• Thakur- not the brightest but not as bad
• shami- Does bowl a lot of length bowls at end

 

So either the bowling needs to have one match winner after another incase we want to play safe cricket or else we need batting that can give us extra runs most days. Sure off day will happen which will also happen with safe batting. England and WI have their game plan sought out, NZ is also looking our for best combination. Australia n India are struggling with format confusion for a while now . MI have had their plans sought out for years now which is why they are most successful franchise 

 

What ever the plan is be stubborn about it and decide quickly coz their aint much time left. We went on same path before 2019 Wc and same will happen again

 

I actually think Kohli and Shastri are okay when it comes to tests and ODIs. We might lose some games, but I get the sense that they have a reasonable strategy and that the players are comfortable executing it. T 20, I think is a different story.  Here, they could use some fresh thinking. I think they should borrow the MI support system and have Rohit lead the side. Might be radical- but if we started with the key domestic players in MI- Rohit, Ishan, SKY, Pandya bros, Bumrah and then added around it, using MI’s selection criteria, we could turn this around pretty fast. Since that is not going to happen, I hope the existing TM learns pretty quick. I don’t care if we go down 0-5 if we use the chance to test things out and arrive at a strategy and team combo that works for us, come World Cup time. Have to give it to England though. Their team is well set. Total opposite of their test combo.

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, kirkutfan said:

I actually think Kohli and Shastri are okay when it comes to tests and ODIs. We might lose some games, but I get the sense that they have a reasonable strategy and that the players are comfortable executing it. T 20, I think is a different story.  Here, they could use some fresh thinking. I think they should borrow the MI support system and have Rohit lead the side. Might be radical- but if we started with the key domestic players in MI- Rohit, Ishan, SKY, Pandya bros, Bumrah and then added around it, using MI’s selection criteria, we could turn this around pretty fast. Since that is not going to happen, I hope the existing TM learns pretty quick. I don’t care if we go down 0-5 if we use the chance to test things out and arrive at a strategy and team combo that works for us, come World Cup time. Have to give it to England though. Their team is well set. Total opposite of their test combo.

Ok with odi ??? They messed up one slot in 2019 which they had to fix rest dhoni gave them settled team. 

I dnt blame shastri anymore, its kohli who has had same issues with RCB

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

 

That is not "plans" but backing certain players from a pool ... A plan involves strategies and tactics, goals, a road map, and so on 

 Ur players are ur plan 

Yuvi kaif n bhajji were selected to provide better fielding as well . Ganguly always beileved in x factor players. His plan was to go for 3 seamers then 2 spinners which is why zak nehra got games after games. 

 

Dhoni dropped ganguly dravid due to fielding n poor strike rotation. Dhoni loved raina n jaddu also coz of the runs those guys saved. His plans were always to save these small small runs. 

 

They understood teams needs n bought players to fulfill the plan. Kohli can have all attacking plans but if he doesnt select n back right player no point making such plans. We have been hearing this from kohli that india wants to play t20 differently from odi yet they keep backing dhawan. It goes 2 ways 

 

[neel roy]

Posted in another thread:

 

 

Except for Rohit who was rested who would you have selected instead of whom. 
 

This was the best team selected. Sky kishan sounds nice. But in place of WHOM. 

[zen]

20 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 Ur players are ur plan 

Yuvi kaif n bhajji were selected to provide better fielding as well . Ganguly always beileved in x factor players. His plan was to go for 3 seamers then 2 spinners which is why zak nehra got games after games. 

 

Dhoni dropped ganguly dravid due to fielding n poor strike rotation. Dhoni loved raina n jaddu also coz of the runs those guys saved. His plans were always to save these small small runs. 

 

They understood teams needs n bought players to fulfill the plan. Kohli can have all attacking plans but if he doesnt select n back right player no point making such plans. We have been hearing this from kohli that india wants to play t20 differently from odi yet they keep backing dhawan. It goes 2 ways 

 

 

That appears to be a rudimentary discussion (which happens at school level too) ... Based on the title of the thread, I assumed you were talking about picking up a strategy, which involves a lot more factors ... For e.g. 

 

Goal: To win the T20 WC21 

Situation Analysis: The nature of pitches expected, key competitors, strengths & weaknesses, laws, where the game is headed (what would be the par scores, what new tactics could be introduced in WC), etc. 

Based on the above, you would have your strategy: Say Aggressive or Safe (from your title)

Next you would identify both the batting and bowling approach. Tactics at opponent level and general match ups 

Then you would identify a pool of 22 players (including backups) 

You would create a roadmap where everyone gets opportunities to play at international level + play similar roles with IPL teams 

you would carry out the strategy in bilaterals and other events to practise and perfect it, making adjustments where required 

and so on 

At WC, you would be ready to implement it in full force 

 

 

Edited March 12, 2021 by zen

[sage]

It's so sad that again do near to the WC preparation seems zilch and Virat will be having to cut and chop the team

[Ankit_sharma03]

35 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Posted in another thread:

 

 

 

Except for Rohit who was rested who would you have selected instead of whom. 
 

This was the best team selected. Sky kishan sounds nice. But in place of WHOM. 

dhawan n iyer , said before the game those had to had to play and no this wasnt the best team selected. Captain said he ll play attacking cricket and selected 2 guys whose s/r was 130 around....so no this wasnt the best team selected

Edited March 12, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[neel roy]

Iyer saved india s ass. N rohit was rested. Do u think sky wd hv made a difference instead of iyer

[zen]

5 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Iyer saved india s ass. N rohit was rested. Do u think sky wd hv made a difference instead of iyer

 

No doubt Iyer did well in the game but many are discussing from a long term perspective where certain players can be more suitable to the format, helping Ind do better in major events 

 

Of course, there are all kinds of fans. Some want Ind to win every game. Some see players performance as daily stock market price so if x does bad in 4 games but performs well in his last, his stock is up and vice versa. Some want Ind to perform well in world events so see bilaterals as preparation (win or loss does not matter) and so on 

 

As for me, I do not care if Ind wins or loses bilaterals. I want Ind to play good cricket and work towards getting its squad perfect for the next world event! 

[Ankit_sharma03]

15 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Iyer saved india s ass. N rohit was rested. Do u think sky wd hv made a difference instead of iyer

 

• did we get into the match knowing 100 % that iyer will score ??
• Was iyer in ur initial XI before the game ??
• No one can be sure what SKY wud have done, u cant go in match knowing what will happen . So even u cant give me a guarantee that sky cudnt have done better.
• fans had similar change of view for manish when he played that good knock in Nz t20 , now no one takes his name. This is what happens
• Dhawan, Iyer, Manish are good player....problem is they have limitations . On surfaces which are 150 around they ll look good but in t20 ull have to prepare mostly for 180+ surfaces. 
• About iyer- has his problem of hard length solved ?? coz England didnt bowl much there and when they did either it was on leg of way wide off stump. So no answer and also  can he now play at 140 s.r consistently ??? So how come change of plan in one game. Has his catching improved. What new have we learned about iyer to change our opinion coz he has played these knocks before ???
• IF tomorrow dhawan does well in 2-3 games ahead of rahul,  will u drop rahul ?

 

The point of all question is you cant keep changing ur startegy after 1-1 results. If so Manish , Dhawan , iyer are good player and they ll keep making such scores. Similar thing happened with Rayudu as well- he made runs, Aus bullied him, Scored runs again when he wasnt challenged and in the Aussies bullied him again and he was dropped. 

 

Thats why im saying decide ur plan . If u wanna back A player like Iyer fair enough but then u cnt fickle if he fails in few games . 

 

All im saying If this team plans to play aggressive brand of cricket then it cant go back to iyer and dhawan as they have certain limitations.  U cant make plans on one game result coz every team will have off games but they need to stick to one plan. MI and england have lost games but they never change their plan.

Edited March 12, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 3/11/2021 at 7:38 PM, neel roy said:

If we play 3 pacers:  Shardul Bhuvi Saini Sundar Chahal —-  we bat till 9 with Bhuvi at 9. 

 

If we play 2 Pacers with Hardik to bowl —- Shardul Bhuvi Axar Sundar Chahal. So the team will bat till 10 with Bhuvi at 10. 
 

Hardiks bowling is crucial. My t20 wc team

 

Rohit

Rahul

Kohli

SKY/ Iyer

Pant

Pandya

Jadeja

Bhuvi

Bumrah

Nattu/ Shami/ Sundar

Chahal / Tewatia

 

This was ur playing XI before the game and u also werent sure of iyer.... now that he has performed u wanna back him , Fair enough . My question is will u drop him if he fails in 2-3 games again or his problem creep up coz then ur as fickle minded as kohli. Ull never be able to have a set team. 

 

The way to build a team is simple- Decide the brand u wanna play and then select player acc . U wanna select players for 160-180 total fine or u wanna select 180 + total fine but then be ok with other outcome

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, zen said:

 

No doubt Iyer did well in the game but many are discussing from a long term perspective where certain players can be more suitable to the format, helping Ind do better in major events 

 

Even in this innings he never threatened to take the game away as someone like Pooran, morgan or stokes wud have done coz on their good days they wud make a diff of 20 runs. Surely they will fail but judge a player on what he can do on his good days coz everyone fails on their bad days. This was iyer good day, he played really really well but at the end he has limitations. In england team, each n every player can runaway with the game on their good days

Edited March 12, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[neel roy]

I agree but again to drop iyer now wont be possible.. my moot point is we haven’t lost the match because of Iyer and replacing him with sky wouldnt have made any difference.. i m talking .. about this match only. But honestly i still believe of all formats in last 5 years india has been the best in t 20  .. in last 5 years we hv only lost 2 series. One maxwell aus 2-0. Other nz krunal karthik fall short 2-1..

Edited March 12, 2021 by neel roy