How do you see the future of China in the next 3 decades ?

[Ranvir]

6 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

Obviously you are stupidly ignorant about history, economics and finance. No one is talking about the history of their development - it is about their future. 

 

China is sitting on a debt bomb ( largely bad debt ) that is 2 times the size of their economy.

 

China has prospered ONLY and ONLY because of Western largesse - largely American. Americans in the 70's and 80's thought moving jobs and technology  to China will help 

the west break the communist block between USSR and China, but it ended up building a Frankenstein. 

 

Obviously you don't hold Indian citizenship anymore.  No sane person can agree with a rogue country like China which considers someone like Dalai Lama a terrorist and hardcore terrorist like Hafeez Saeed a "religious scholar" .

 

There cannot be any jealousy but only utter hatred for a rogue country like China  - that inflicted the world with a deadly pandemic like corona. 

Inspite of all the good you spoke about them, I bet you shamelessly live in a Western country and would never consider settling down in  filth like China.

 

So truthful are fact, figures and numbers coming from  China that - idiots like you may buy the fact that China officially claims that no one has died of covid in their country for an entire year, while the super developed western countries are picking up body bags by the 100s.

 

So " good/smart/developed" is China that despite being the originator of Covid and having many more resources at their disposal, India was able to build a 2 home grown 

vaccines --  Covishield and Covaxin. -- which are  FARR better than Chinese vaccines. India is not forcing these vaccines on peoples throat like China is for profits. 

Countries are queuing up for India's vaccine  because of the efficacy and India has donated/granted for free millions of vaccines.

 

This shows only a glimpse of the capability of India.

 

You may also be ignorant about the fact that NO AUTHORITARIAN country  in history has ever crossed the middle income category.

 

The amount of Western  IP theft that China has backed is worth trillions of dollars of IP value.

 

30 years is a long time. If one could not have imagined in 1990 how different the world would be in 2020. It would only be foolish to assume that China's free ride 

driven on IP theft, economic coersion and acts of a rogue country will not have disastrous consequences for it.

 

You only have to look at what happened to USSR - that was a monster for 30 years and see the state of Russia now.

 

You really are one brainwashed ****.

 

China is light years ahead of India. Have you seen their cities and infrastructure, India is nowhere near that level. India is filthy and underdeveloped compared to China.

 

As I mentioned, once they get everyone to the same standard of living as Japan and South Korea they will introduce democracy. Giving democracy to poor illiterates is stupid and has held India back. The politicians in India spend half their time trying to stay in power rather than helping the people. You have Bollywood stars who are members of Parliament representing places they live hundreds of miles from. A joke!

 

In terms of human rights you could say India is even worse, it has the highest number of modern day slaves in the world, more than double of China.

 

The Dalai Lama is someone who ruled over a serfdom in which a few people lived large but the vast majority were dirt poor.

 

Wake up and stop watching Arnab Goswami.

[rangeelaraja]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Here is the data:

 

 

 

Go check for vaccine produced. India has the potential but the babu raj is hurting India.

 

 

India exported 60 million doses already - when you add that - it becomes a lot more.   Plus only a fool would believe any number coming out of China. 

 

China claims only some 4000 people have died there of covid. 

[Khota]

17 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

You really are one brainwashed ****.

 

China is light years ahead of India. Have you seen their cities and infrastructure, India is nowhere near that level. India is filthy and underdeveloped compared to China.

 

As I mentioned, once they get everyone to the same standard of living as Japan and South Korea they will introduce democracy. Giving democracy to poor illiterates is stupid and has held India back. The politicians in India spend half their time trying to stay in power rather than helping the people. You have Bollywood stars who are members of Parliament representing places they live hundreds of miles from. A joke!

 

In terms of human rights you could say India is even worse, it has the highest number of modern day slaves in the world, more than double of China.

 

The Dalai Lama is someone who ruled over a serfdom in which a few people lived large but the vast majority were dirt poor.

 

Wake up and stop watching Arnab Goswami.

You are correct. This guy does not get it. They have landed stuff on the far side of moon too but he keeps on babbling stuff. They rack up $60 B surplus against India. How is that possible if they are not ahead.

 

There is no company in India like Huawei. None. Still Bania raj and crony capitalism going on. Till today India cannot even design its own TVs.

 

And let us not forget chinese economy was the same size as that of India in 1980.

[Khota]

2 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

India exported 60 million doses already - when you add that - it becomes a lot more.   Plus only a fool would believe any number coming out of China. 

 

China claims only some 4000 people have died there of covid. 

I dont trust their COVID numbers because they lie but in production they run circles around India.

[rangeelaraja]

20 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

You really are one brainwashed ****.

 

China is light years ahead of India. Have you seen their cities and infrastructure, India is nowhere near that level. India is filthy and underdeveloped compared to China.

 

As I mentioned, once they get everyone to the same standard of living as Japan and South Korea they will introduce democracy. Giving democracy to poor illiterates is stupid and has held India back. The politicians in India spend half their time trying to stay in power rather than helping the people. You have Bollywood stars who are members of Parliament representing places they live hundreds of miles from. A joke!

 

In terms of human rights you could say India is even worse, it has the highest number of modern day slaves in the world, more than double of China.

 

The Dalai Lama is someone who ruled over a serfdom in which a few people lived large but the vast majority were dirt poor.

 

Wake up and stop watching Arnab Goswami.

 

 

 

You dumb F^^ck - I am not talking about the present and history  - I am talking about the future. 

 

China will never ever even come close to the standard of living in South Korea or Japan.

 

I posted this article you dumb f*uuck. If you can understand English.

 

https://www.cnbctv18.com/economy/china-has-over-600-million-poor-with-140-monthly-income-premier-li-keqiang-6024341.htm

 

No authoritarian regime has ever become a developed first world country - they have eventually collapsed. And China is not going to be an exception.

 

But an illiterate like you who does not  know economics or history will never understand this.

[rangeelaraja]

9 minutes ago, Khota said:

I dont trust their COVID numbers because they lie but in production they run circles around India.

 

 

Suck this up:

 

https://www.statista.com/chart/23885/coronavirus-vaccine-production-capabilities-by-country/

 

And then suck this up to...

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-india-vaccine-idUKKBN28K10E

 

 

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“There are many vaccines being produced in countries around the world but there’s only one nation that has the manufacturing capacity to produce sufficient quantities to satisfy the demands of citizens in every country, and that’s India,” said Australia’s ambassador to India, Barry O’Farrell, after touring vaccine manufacturing sites in India with many other diplomats.

Serum Institute of India (SII), the world’s biggest vaccine maker, has already stockpiled more than 50 million doses of the AstraZeneca shot, even as it awaits emergency-use approvals from both British and Indian authorities.

 

Edited March 22, 2021 by rangeelaraja

[rangeelaraja]

26 minutes ago, Khota said:

You are correct. This guy does not get it. They have landed stuff on the far side of moon too but he keeps on babbling stuff. They rack up $60 B surplus against India. How is that possible if they are not ahead.

 

There is no company in India like Huawei. None. Still Bania raj and crony capitalism going on. Till today India cannot even design its own TVs.

 

And let us not forget chinese economy was the same size as that of India in 1980.

 

Whats your stupid point ? 

 

India beat China in the race to orbit Mars. In fact to date India is the only Asian country to have a probe orbit Mars. 

 

Every country has its own economic destiny that happens sequentially. 

 

There was a time when Japan totally dominated electronics ( with Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic etc..) ... Then they fell through and Korea came about with Samsung and LG.

 

These countries were way ahead in the economic cycle than China and with a tiny tiny fraction of China's population. Whats the big deal if China has one company lie Huawei.

 

At one point Japan had 20 such  powerhouse companies - still does.

 

India's time too will come.

 

This thread is about China's future not past and present. 

Edited March 22, 2021 by rangeelaraja

[Khota]

40 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

Whats your stupid point ? 

 

India beat China in the race to orbit Mars. In fact to date India is the only Asian country to have a probe orbit Mars. 

 

Every country has its own economic destiny that happens sequentially. 

 

There was a time when Japan totally dominated electronics ( with Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic etc..) ... Then they fell through and Korea came about with Samsung and LG.

 

These countries were way ahead in the economic cycle than China and with a tiny tiny fraction of China's population. Whats the big deal if China has one company lie Huawei.

 

At one point Japan had 20 such  powerhouse companies - still does.

 

India's time too will come.

 

This thread is about China's future not past and present. 

I just gave example of Huawei. They have several like that.

 

Einstein they are racking up $60,000,000,000 surpluus against India every year. How can anyone do that if they dont have their sheet staright.

 

Once again India has 70 years of independence and still no one can design a TV. A fricking TV.

 

Moron of the highest order.

 

 

[Khota]

59 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

Suck this up:

 

https://www.statista.com/chart/23885/coronavirus-vaccine-production-capabilities-by-country/

 

And then suck this up to...

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-india-vaccine-idUKKBN28K10E

 

 

 

 

Sinopharm and Sinovac are doing better than COVAXIN.

[rangeelaraja]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

I just gave example of Huawei. They have several like that.

 

Einstein they are racking up $60,000,000,000 surpluus against India every year. How can anyone do that if they dont have their sheet staright.

 

Once again India has 70 years of independence and still no one can design a TV. A fricking TV.

 

Moron of the highest order.

 

 

 

 

And India has several too...maybe not of that impact but they are coming up.

 

Being a factory of the world means they will have a trade surplus you dum FCUUKing piece of ****. 

 

A trade surplus is not the be all and end all you ignorant clown. They have annual  trade surplus of 100's of billions of dollars with the US - doesn't mean they are anywhere close to US you prick.

 

India makes better cars and bikes than your daddy China.

[rangeelaraja]

30 minutes ago, Khota said:

 

Sinopharm and Sinovac are doing better than COVAXIN.

 

 

These are hard numbers. So much for "reach" .  If you are hell bent on kissing Chinese @$$ like a shameless traitor, no one can stop you.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-cases/worlds-top-vaccine-maker-india-criticised-at-home-for-exports-as-infections-rise-idUSKBN2B80D4

 

 

Quote

India, the world's biggest vaccine maker, has gifted or sold here 59 million locally produced doses compared with 33 million doses given to its own people since its inoculation campaign began in mid-January

 

[rangeelaraja]

For the shameless Chinese butt kissers here.

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55642648#:~:text=A coronavirus vaccine developed by,50% needed for regulatory approval.

 

Quote

A coronavirus vaccine developed by China's Sinovac has been found to be 50.4% effective in Brazilian clinical trials, according to the latest results released by researchers.

It shows the vaccine is significantly less effective than previous data suggested - barely over the 50% needed for regulatory approval.

 

[Clarke]

Calm down guys, why fight over such hypotheticals 

[rangeelaraja]

41 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Calm down guys, why fight over such hypotheticals 

Not surprised to see China butt kissers here.

 

Pathetic shameless lot. 

[PunterLog]

I see it breaking and Tibet getting it's independence.

 

Too many ICF'ers seem to think China is some unbreakable superpower with no fault lines. This can't be further than the truth. The CCP propaganda has worked very well on people all over the world but China will take a mighty fall.

 

 

[rangeelaraja]

2 hours ago, PunterLog said:

I see it breaking and Tibet getting it's independence.

 

Too many ICF'ers seem to think China is some unbreakable superpower with no fault lines. This can't be further than the truth. The CCP propaganda has worked very well on people all over the world but China will take a mighty fall.

 

 

So well put. It’s a shame the kind of ignorant morons who comment here. They have absolutely no clue about history, economics and global power play.

 

USSR was such a brute military juggernaut, it had enough military muscle and nuclear arms at its peak to vaporize the entire planet many times over. Yet it disintegrated to over a dozen countries without a bullet fired.

 

Japan with 1/12th of China’s population was 70-75 %  of the size of US economy at its peak in 1995  before totally receding into negative growth and 0 growth for decades. 
 

 CCP’s belligerence and aggression will ensure China’s disintegration preceded by global sanctions against China leading to its massive economic downfall  ( just like west did to USSR at the height of Cold War ) 

 

CCP stupidity like attacking Taiwan might be the ultimate trigger. 

 

This is not wishful thinking - China’s free ride in the face of relentless aggression cannot continue forever. Every historical precedence to this has been followed by a major war where the aggressor has been subdued by the side backed by America.

 

China has no real allies. 

Edited March 22, 2021 by rangeelaraja

[diga]

27 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

China has no real allies. 

Have to disagree with this.. In geo politics, its always  about your own interests outweighing any other considerations even if you are allied with someone.   China is deeply entrenched in African/South Asian & South American economics and they have a diaspora as spread out as Indians. 

 

About your point about China being the challenger to US as a superpower, this decade should answer it .. 

[PunterLog]

30 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

So well put. It’s a shame the kind of ignorant morons who comment here. They have absolutely no clue about history, economics and global power play.

 

USSR was such a brute military juggernaut, it had enough military muscle and nuclear arms at its peak to vaporize the entire planet many times over. Yet it disintegrated to over a dozen countries without a bullet fired.

 

Japan with 1/12th of China’s population was 70-75 %  of the size of US economy at its peak in 1995  before totally receding into negative growth and 0 growth for decades. 
 

 CCP’s belligerence and aggression will ensure China’s disintegration preceded by global sanctions against China leading to its massive economic downfall  ( just like west did to USSR at the height of Cold War ) 

 

CCP stupidity like attacking Taiwan might be the ultimate trigger. 

 

This is not wishful thinking - China’s free ride in the face of relentless aggression cannot continue forever. Every historical precedence to this has been followed by a major war where the aggressor has been subdued by the side backed by America.

 

China has no real allies. 

 

If the US makes China it's sole target like it did with USSR, China will disintegrate. I can see China getting too belligerent with Taiwan or SCS which will be the final trigger for the US to go after China. US has played the biggest role in China's rise and the CCP would be fools to draw swords with the US.

 

The recent faceoff between Chinese diplomats and US in Alaska has set alarm bells off. It was the first time that CCP mocked US publicly. US will actively go after China, the next few years are going to be interesting.

[rangeelaraja]

3 minutes ago, diga said:

Have to disagree with this.. In geo politics, its always  about your own interests outweighing any other considerations even if you are allied with someone.   China is deeply entrenched in African/South Asian & South American economics and they have a diaspora as spread out as Indians. 

 

About your point about China being the challenger to US as a superpower, this decade should answer it .. 

 

What you are alluding to are poor client states. Poor client states cannot be called allies. 

[rangeelaraja]

7 minutes ago, PunterLog said:

 

If the US makes China it's sole target like it did with USSR, China will disintegrate. I can see China getting too belligerent with Taiwan or SCS which will be the final trigger for the US to go after China. US has played the biggest role in China's rise and the CCP would be fools to draw swords with the US.

 

The recent faceoff between Chinese diplomats and US in Alaska has set alarm bells off. It was the first time that CCP mocked US publicly. US will actively go after China, the next few years are going to be interesting.

 

 

I cannot believe that the US is distracted by a toothless Russia, when the biggest enemy of the global rules based order is the rogue CCP controlled China.

 

US needs to ally with EU, unfortunately there are jackasses like Angela Merkel who are hell bent on sucking upto China.

 

Needly to say with the Quad- other major powers are united.