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[Malcolm Merlyn]

The Pakistani mesky talking about genes diet etc, how many medals pakistan has in boxing or wrestling in CWG Asian or olympics?

 

India wipes the floor with Pakistani in these type of power sports.

 

Ofcourse pakistanis are hung up on this superiority complex of genes and diet and their cricket is in the dumps.

[rkt.india]

On 10/3/2021 at 10:16 PM, Mesky99 said:

Everything looks natural, just a proper express bowler, braced front leg, landing is great, one of those guys that can sustain 145kph with ease, how is that with no facilities at all in

 in Kashmir but still a gem like this can come out, Tamil Nadu, karnataka, Gujarat, Bengal with a the facilities available but still not one half decent pacer coming out.

 

 

 

 

 

He isn't a a Kashmiri but from a Muslim Gujjar from Jammu. Samad is same. Hindu Gujjars who converted to Islam are muslim Gujjars.

[New guy]

13 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

See this is the problem...when mirror being shown, you want to add a caveat. Since Bumrah avg less than Wasim, Waqar, Imran or any bowler in Pak history...as per your own logic he is much more impactful. But you want him to maintain similar avg for next 50 tests to be considered better bcoz it dosent suit the agenda. But for Akhtar only 46 test matches is enough.

 

You cant have the cake and cherry too. If lower avg means better bowler then Bumrah > All Pak bowlers.

 

But you cant say Akhtar is better than Ishant bcoz his avg is less even though he only played 46 tests but Bumrah has to prove for next 50 tests.

If @Mesky99 is indian, he has massive, massive inferiority complex 

[Mesky99]

20 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

The Pakistani mesky talking about genes diet etc, how many medals pakistan has in boxing or wrestling in CWG Asian or olympics?

 

India wipes the floor with Pakistani in these type of power sports.

 

Ofcourse pakistanis are hung up on this superiority complex of genes and diet and their cricket is in the dumps.

I ain't a Pakistani, the recent olympic medal was won by Neeraj chopra who is a haryanvi ror and their genetic makeup is completely unique, most of India's wrestlers are jats from haryana with a odd Maratha, again like I said before the genetic, diet part was mainly trolling but it still has enough substance, I believe genetics play a massive part in performance and in India every tribe/caste etc genetically different.

 

[Mesky99]

12 hours ago, New guy said:

If @Mesky99 is indian, he has massive, massive inferiority complex 

Lol inferiority because I think akthar is way superior than ishant, it's a fact, there is nothing wrong speaking your mind and cricket is only a game, if I think Pakistanis better at fast bowling than India will not make me a lesser Indian or inferiority complex driven. It's just a sport. 

[Suhaan]

Paxtanis have been hurt badly,their self respect has been smashed like anything when there was never one

I can understand the pain for being subjected to so much shaming they go through various platforms,calm down brace your real identity

[Austin 3:!6]

28 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Lol inferiority because I think akthar is way superior than ishant, it's a fact, there is nothing wrong speaking your mind and cricket is only a game, if I think Pakistanis better at fast bowling than India will not make me a lesser Indian or inferiority complex driven. It's just a sport. 

I couldnt care less if you love Pakistan as its your personal choice. But atleast try to be rational while debating and dont change your arguement based on agenda.

 

If Akhtar is better than Ishant bcoz former got a better avg., then with this same logic Bumrah is better than any Pakistani fast bowler in history. I am not saying anything different, just using the same logic you are using.

 

And if you think Bumrah has not played enough games to be considered better than Wasim, Waqar etc., then same applies to Akhtar too who only played 46 tests?

 

Thread is not about Ishant or Akhtar neither I think Bumrah is better than Ws yet but I am simply using the exact logic (of avg) that you are using.

 

You can think Pak bowlers are better and that is totally fine but debates dont happen on your thinking. You cant twist logic based on your needs when cornered with facts.

 

[New guy]

56 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Lol inferiority because I think akthar is way superior than ishant, it's a fact, there is nothing wrong speaking your mind and cricket is only a game, if I think Pakistanis better at fast bowling than India will not make me a lesser Indian or inferiority complex driven. It's just a sport. 

No when you do such mental gymnastics as wanting 75 tests for bumrah but not even 50 for Akhtar 

[Mesky99]

12 hours ago, New guy said:

No when you do such mental gymnastics as wanting 75 tests for bumrah but not even 50 for Akhtar 

70 test matches for bumrah to match Akram is about fine, bumrah has had great impact early in his career and pretty much come on top with a high pass rate every Sena tour, if he keeps this up, he would overtake Wasim as a test match bowler after 70 test matches, ishant in 100 test matches has not had the same impact which 

Akthar had in 46 test matches.

 

 

 

[express bowling]

14 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

Prasidh has played enough list A cricket to have improved by now, he has gone on India A tours, so out of siraj, saini, mavi, avesh, prasidh only siraj has blossomed to a higher pedigree, we need more from the rest

 

Mavi is still 22. So, he still has a year or two to reach the desired level. ( although his mindset may hold him back )

 

If we consider the 24 to 28 age range quick bowlers .... Bumrah and Siraj have graduated to the top level. And Bumrah has been amazing.

 

Saini and Prasidh have a lot of scope for improvement.

 

Avesh is somewhere inbetween.

 

Considering that every country have had a few talented pacers who did not make it big ( i.e a 70% + conversion rate is unlikely ) ... if we can have one more quick pacer making it big ... it will be an acceptable level.

[New guy]

13 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

70 test matches for bumrah to match Akram is about fine, bumrah has had great impact early in his career and pretty much come on top with a high pass rate every Sena tour, if he keeps this up, he would overtake Wasim as a test match bowler after 70 test matches, ishant in 100 test matches has not had the same impact which 

Akthar had in 46 test matches.

 

 

 

But why do we need arbitrary numbers to match one bowler who bowled 30 years ago?

 

If this is not inferiortiy complex, what is? You need X numbers to match Akhtar who had one of the shortest careers at 46 matches. You need Y numbers to match Akram

 

Its like a dude who was feeling inferior in his youth when seeing others do better (in this case pakistan bowlers doing better than indian ones) and now is an obsessed middle aged guy who measures all things by those benchmarks, not realizing that the world has moved on and he is no longer a teenager 

 

An analogy would be sunil shettys character in Dhadkan, you want a expensive leather shoe,  not to feel comfort, but to show up those who mocked your broken chappal once. So you want X brand shoe of Y price to beat the once coveted pakistani shoe

 

@Mariyam will tell us if my analogy worked

Edited October 5, 2021 by New guy

[Mariyam]

In Dhadkan Sunil Shetty's character became a Besos Ambani combine investing his 1 re coin in a 'business idea'. 5 years later he is a gazillionaire.

 

From 2:20-2:25

 

500 karrrod without even a Series A.

 

On topic, why are we discussing loud mouth has-beens like Akhtar in this thread? thought it was about this IPL. 

[Austin 3:!6]

34 minutes ago, New guy said:

But why do we need arbitrary numbers to match one bowler who bowled 30 years ago?

 

If this is not inferiortiy complex, what is? You need X numbers to match Akhtar who had one of the shortest careers at 46 matches. You need Y numbers to match Akram

 

Its like a dude who was feeling inferior in his youth when seeing others do better (in this case pakistan bowlers doing better than indian ones) and now is an obsessed middle aged guy who measures all things by those benchmarks, not realizing that the world has moved on and he is no longer a teenager 

 

An analogy would be sunil shettys character in Dhadkan, you want a expensive leather shoe,  not to feel comfort, but to show up those who mocked your broken chappal once. So you want X brand shoe of Y price to beat the once coveted pakistani shoe

 

@Mariyam will tell us if my analogy worked

Bumrah need 70 tests to prove himself even though he has better avg but only 46 tests is enough for Akhtar. Pak logic

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Mesky99 said:

70 test matches for bumrah to match Akram is about fine, bumrah has had great impact early in his career and pretty much come on top with a high pass rate every Sena tour, if he keeps this up, he would overtake Wasim as a test match bowler after 70 test matches, ishant in 100 test matches has not had the same impact which 

Akthar had in 46 test matches.

 

 

 

Nothing wrong in this tbh. Except bunrah with 50 would be enough to overtake wasim imo. Honestly dude has destroyed teams in SEA. 

 

He has won many games for india. Champion player. 

 

He just needs to match wasim at home conditions for another 20 25 tests and he is good to go. 

 

Remember no they play 3 formats. Hard to get to 70 plus games. 

[Mesky99]

15 hours ago, Jay said:

Nothing wrong in this tbh. Except bunrah with 50 would be enough to overtake wasim imo. Honestly dude has destroyed teams in SEA. 

 

He has won many games for india. Champion player. 

 

He just needs to match wasim at home conditions for another 20 25 tests and he is good to go. 

 

Remember no they play 3 formats. Hard to get to 70 plus games. 

Bumrah will need able support and other bowlers will have to contribute, once the other bowlers loose form, it then becomes difficult for bumrah to maintain such numbers, this is why it's important for the likes of prasidh, avesh, tyagi to settle in quickly and become test quality bowlers so therefore when the transition period comes along ishant, Umesh, shami, bhuvi will eventually be replaced by equally capable bowlers. The next India A tour is very important, selectors must not go by numbers, porel, nagaswalla or warrier are not international quality, prasidh, tyagi, avesh and mavi must get maximum India A games under their belt in the next year or so.

Edited October 5, 2021 by Mesky99

[Mosher]

Kuldip Yadav is playing today.

[Suhaan]

Just now, Mosher said:

Kuldip Yadav is playing today.

Left armer seamer

[rkt.india]

Is Kartik injured?

[Chakdephatte]

31 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Is Kartik injured?

Samson, in one of the matches, said at the toss that he is injured. That's all we know. Totally no update on his injury is provided. Ferguson's case is the same.

[express bowling]

Tyagi is missing too many matches due to injury.

 

Not good.