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vvvslaxman Grand Master

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16 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

It is much more complex than that...

What vaccination provides in an ideal condition. Optimistic scenario is that over a period, we are hoping that herd immunity is achieved so that virus transmission will stop, and hence the pandemic will stop. 

But consider pessimistic scenario.

But virus is mutating to newer variants and the effectiveness of vaccine against these new variants are not same as the original virus, thus reducing the efficacy of the vaccine's response against the new variants. For eg: It is confirmed that against new Indian variant , vaccines do work but not as effective as the original variant. Lets assume covishield has 79% efficacy against original variant, but it may be 20% less effective i.e around 65% effective against this new variant. Obviously rest 35% might get not severe covid, but remember they are spreading the virus to others ( vaccinated and non-vaccinated group) during their infection phase. This might trigger newer variants as vaccine is not helping virus movements as it is initially thought, that are less effective against vaccine.

Coupled with vaccine's effectiveness wanes over time, there is a possibility of 3rd wave due to newer variants. What this means? We may have to go for booster doses against these new variants. So those who had the innate immunity would also have to rely on the vaccines for their immunity. Now is it feasible that we'll keep giving booster doses every year for a billion people, otherwise a possibility of an outbreak due to escape variants? 

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Your only other option is contracting the virus  and hopefully surviving and in the process  weakening your immune system, damaging your lungs and other organs permanently. No pandemic can be conquered purely through mass infection. Vaccines are the only options we have. We just have to hope they come up with better vaccines in the long run. Till then you need to survive. An year back nobody even imagined vaccine would be available in one year.  Be patient.  Spanish flu killed 10 to 15 million people in India. India lost 5% of the population. India probably won't lose that many this time. But without any vaccine , without lockdown India will easily surpass that number.

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https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

 

 

 

This is CDC data just 5 days back.

Only 132 deaths in 95 mn fully vaccinated sounds good considering US is still seeing 800 deaths per day from it.

However 132 deaths among 9800 infections make fatality rate 1% which is roughly equal to non vaccinated CFR in msny countries.

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19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

There was  a second wave even in US. Every country does damage control. This is not unique to India

 

To be honest US doesn't care about "optics" as much as current Indian administration. It is a freaking pandemic. Nobody is going to treat India like an outcast country. India getting impacted by a devastating second wave hurts the entire world. 

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5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

To be honest US doesn't care about "optics" as much as current Indian administration. It is a freaking pandemic. Nobody is going to treat India like an outcast country. India getting impacted by a devastating second wave hurts the entire world. 

I only point to the opinion about "They didn't do planning well" and if they take some action, it will turn into "lol it is damage control, after all!".

Image control for a developing country like India matters more than a developed country like US. Already, we are called the rapists of the world!

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15 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I only point to the opinion about "They didn't do planning well" and if they take some action, it will turn into "lol it is damage control, after all!".

Image control for a developing country like India matters more than a developed country like US. Already, we are called the rapists of the world!

Damage control to their reputation. Not people. I fully support all these initiatives.  But real story is people are dying with no oxygen.  That is still going on.

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15 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Your only other option is contracting the virus  and hopefully surviving and in the process  weakening your immune system, damaging your lungs and other organs permanently. No pandemic can be conquered purely through mass infection. Vaccines are the only options we have. We just have to hope they come up with better vaccines in the long run. Till then you need to survive. An year back nobody even imagined vaccine would be available in one year.  Be patient.  Spanish flu killed 10 to 15 million people in India. India lost 5% of the population. India probably won't lose that many this time. But without any vaccine , without lockdown India will easily surpass that number.

Spanish flu of 1918 is in different era where the modern communication didn't exist. Also britishers didn't care of Indians dying. But current situation is waay different. We've seen we can contain the epidemic by strict lockdowns, containment zones , more testing, quarantining the contacts etc.. Also some newer drugs are coming  like molnupiravir, DRDO drugs are effective in dealing with covid, so vaccine is not the only way. 

 

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2 hours ago, ravishingravi said:


Details. He has multiple comorbities. He was living on day to day basis anyway. 

Source? 

Are you saying that vaccination is not useful for  people with comorbodities?

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/dr-kk-aggarwal-passes-away-7319296/

 

"His colleagues could not recall if he had any comorbidities, besides that he had suffered from a pulmonary embolism a few years ago and had recovered"

 

Living on day to day basis? Go though his videos, he was doing much better than any of us. 

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9 hours ago, ravishingravi said:


And why does he do it ? Not crashing currencies. The rest. 

 

The usual billionaire stuff. In the short term, exploit the existing fault lines in the society to create social unrest which can be used for regime change. In the long term, work towards achieving a New World Order where national sovereignty goes for a toss and supranational bodies like the UN gain more power. In the meantime, his NGOs/think tanks keep on releasing these trial balloons.

 

 

 

 

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Hardly living on day to day basis..As his wife said, he works 12 hours 365 days an year. 

He had pulmonary embolism and Crohns disease as comorbidities, but as he says in the interview, vaccines are supposed to protect against comorbid people..

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47 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

The usual billionaire stuff. In the short term, exploit the existing fault lines in the society to create social unrest which can be used for regime change. In the long term, work towards achieving a New World Order where national sovereignty goes for a toss and supranational bodies like the UN gain more power. In the meantime, his NGOs/think tanks keep on releasing these trial balloons.

 

 

 

 

 

Abolishing nuclear family means step towards depopulation or creating joint families?

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Two doses of Pfizer's vaccine showed 87.9% efficacy (95% CI 78.2%-93.2%) against the variant, while two doses of AstraZeneca's showed 59.8% efficacy (95% CI 28.9%-77.3%), reported Jamie Lopez Bernal, PhD, of Public Health England in London, and colleagues in a preprint manuscript online.

Vaccine effectiveness after one dose against B.1.617.2 was similarly low for both vaccines, at 33%.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/92753?xid=nl_covidupdate_2021-05-24&eun=g1860510d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DailyUpdate_052421&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Daily_News_Update_active

 

But we have chosen AZ and claiming that one dose can protect you from virus!! Second dose can be taken after 16 weeks. 

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16 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

Two doses of Pfizer's vaccine showed 87.9% efficacy (95% CI 78.2%-93.2%) against the variant, while two doses of AstraZeneca's showed 59.8% efficacy (95% CI 28.9%-77.3%), reported Jamie Lopez Bernal, PhD, of Public Health England in London, and colleagues in a preprint manuscript online.

Vaccine effectiveness after one dose against B.1.617.2 was similarly low for both vaccines, at 33%.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/92753?xid=nl_covidupdate_2021-05-24&eun=g1860510d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DailyUpdate_052421&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Daily_News_Update_active

 

But we have chosen AZ and claiming that one dose can protect you from virus!! Second dose can be taken after 16 weeks. 

Just eye wash due to lack of Vaccines. 

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