Rahane only has 5 50+ scores in 31 innings in SENA since 2018!

[Real McCoy]

Pujara is not an Indian ATG. Even Kohli falls short in tests but can make it. Pujara and Rahane being next best batsmen to Kohli is a poor batting lineup. Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Ganguly, Sunny, Vishy, Sehwag are true greats. To mention Pujara as an ATG is an insult to these players.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Real McCoy

[zen]

31 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Pujara is not an Indian ATG. Even Kohli falls short in tests but can make it. Pujara and Rahane being next best batsmen to Kohli is a poor batting lineup. Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Ganguly, Sunny, Vishy, Sehwag are true greats. To mention Pujara as an ATG is an insult to these players.

Good to know that Kohli, Pujara, etc fall short in tests but Ganguly makes it to your list  

[Real McCoy]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Good to know that Kohli, Pujara, etc fall short in tests but Ganguly makes it to your list  

Kohli can make it to the elite level but Pujara has lost his chance at greatness. Ganguly is a much better batsman than Pujara. You can ask other posters here. He faced better lineups.

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Kohli can make it to the elite level but Pujara has lost his chance at greatness. Ganguly is a much better batsman than Pujara. You can ask other posters here. He faced better lineups.

Please … 

[Real McCoy]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Please … 

Is that all you got now

[zen]

1 minute ago, Real McCoy said:

Is that all you got now

I recall you got unsettled when Pujara was seen better than Dravid … Now the Dravid fanboy comes here to write Pujara is not great. How beautiful

[Real McCoy]

6 minutes ago, zen said:

I recall you got unsettled when Pujara was seen better than Dravid … Now the Dravid fanboy comes here to write Pujara is not great. How beautiful

geez things are unraveling for you quickly. I didn't expect an emotional post from you as you are usually zen, pardon the pun. but here calling me a dravid fanboy is just I'm not trying to put down Pujara. He has been good in that Aus series in 18-19. But facts are facts. He hasn't been scoring much the past 2 years. Looks like you are hurt. Sorry

[zen]

16 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

I'm not trying to put down Pujara. He has been good in that Aus series in 18-19. But facts are facts. He hasn't been scoring much the past 2 years. Looks like you are hurt. Sorry

Buddy, he was good in Aus in 2020/1 as well hitting 3 50s in 4 innings at SCG and Gabba 

 

He may not have been consistent of late but he has stepped up on tough tours in SENA

It is one thing to say that Pujara is not going well recently and other to say he is not great (that is where I am making the clarification) 

Edited June 25, 2021 by zen

[Real McCoy]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

Buddy, he was good in Aus in 2020/1 as well hitting 3 50s in 4 innings at SCG and Gabba 

 

He may not have been consistent of late but he has stepped up on tough tours in SENA

It is one thing to say that Pujara is not going well recently and other to say he is not great (that is where I am making the clarification) 

He has been in the setup for 10 years yet he hasn't made his mark like Dravid, VVS and Ganguly did. So if these two years are to be written off, the same thing should happen to the 18-19 tour. You can't leave the bad and take only the good. That's not how life works. When he retires, he will be remembered as a good batsmen who did well in 18-19 Aus tour like how Vengsarkar is remembered for his Eng tour in 86. That's all. He's also 33. One thing he can do is volunteer to open as I don't think Gill is an opener.

[zen]

13 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

He has been in the setup for 10 years yet he hasn't made his mark like Dravid, VVS and Ganguly did. So if these two years are to be written off, the same thing should happen to the 18-19 tour. You can't leave the bad and take only the good. That's not how life works. When he retires, he will be remembered as a good batsmen who did well in 18-19 Aus tour like how Vengsarkar is remembered for his Eng tour in 86. That's all. He's also 33. One thing he can do is volunteer to open as I don't think Gill is an opener.

Not at all as already discussed with you on a previous thread 

Those guys have failed big time as well be it in SA (100 and 66 all out), lost a series in Zim, Pak (Kol test for e.g., where the team failed to make it to the Asian Test Championship final), 2004 Nagpur Test, in SL, … 

 

Edited June 25, 2021 by zen

[Real McCoy]

28 minutes ago, zen said:

Not at all as already discussed with you on a previous thread 

Those guys have failed big time as well be it in SA (100 and 66 all out), lost a series in Zim, Pak (Kol test for e.g., where the team failed to make it to the Asian Test Championship final), 2004 Nagpur Test, in SL, … 

 

Those guys will have won a ton if they had the bowling lineup of today in those conditions in the past. More than the current crop. Kohli has put the emphasis on fast bowlers. That's his best part of the legacy the worst being poor batting.

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Those guys will have won a ton if they had the bowling lineup of today in those conditions in the past. More than the current crop. Kohli has put the emphasis on fast bowlers. That's his best part of the legacy the worst being poor batting.

 

First let them not lose due to batting ... if if and buts were pots and pans, ...

[Real McCoy]

2 hours ago, zen said:

 

First let them not lose due to batting ... if if and buts were pots and pans, ...

You're devoted to Pujara worship man. No sense talking to you

[Vijy]

pujara is done. we should be grateful for his SC performances at his peak, the 2018-19 tour of Oz, and to a lesser extent the 2020-21 tour. It's time to move beyond him because Anderson will skewer him.

[zen]

Rahane has only managed to add 1 50+ score in 4 tests in Eng so far. Many who supported him on this thread are asking him to be dropped for the 5th test

 

[zen]

Update on Rahane   Records type batting analysis

View career summary

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2018

Ordered by default (ascending)

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2013-2021	78	132	12	4756	188	39.63	9669	49.18	12	24	9	531	32
filtered	2018-2021	20	38	1	999	112	27.00	2350	42.51	1	5	3	98	6

Edited September 7, 2021 by zen

[poyzzplaidwell]

Drop him and send him back to Ranji. If he can rediscover form, bring him back. Else time to move on.

Vihari is the ideal candidate. And he can bowl too so that very handy in overseas tests.

[rkt.india]

On 6/25/2021 at 9:13 PM, Real McCoy said:

Those guys will have won a ton if they had the bowling lineup of today in those conditions in the past. More than the current crop. Kohli has put the emphasis on fast bowlers. That's his best part of the legacy the worst being poor batting.

You can't win anything by scoring 66 or 76 like they did in Ahmedabad 2006. When they batted well, India also did well. They also most struggled overseas with the bat. Not able to chase 120.

[Adamant]

On 6/25/2021 at 7:48 PM, Real McCoy said:

Is that all you got now

That's what you deserve actually. 

Saying that Ganguly was a better batsman than Pujji is definitely a cardinal sin. 

You need to actually watch matches instead of reading records on howstat and cricinfo. 

[kohli]

41 minutes ago, Adamant said:

That's what you deserve actually. 

Saying that Ganguly was a better batsman than Pujji is definitely a cardinal sin. 

You need to actually watch matches instead of reading records on howstat and cricinfo. 

But ganguly was definitely better than rahane.