Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated CoViD data - this graph, I think, needs its own thread.

[BacktoCricaddict]

[coffee_rules]

I don't want to be in that 0.04 bracket with all the illuck I have

Edited July 30, 2021 by coffee_rules

[velu]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

I don't want to be in that 0.04 bracket with all the illuck I have

 

1 out of 25 sounds more scary than 0.04

[BacktoCricaddict]

When will the vaccines get full FDA approval?

 

Short answer:  2 more months, at the earliest.

 

Why so long?  Read on:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/when-will-covid-19-vaccines-be-fully-approved-and-does-it-matter-if-they-are

 

When might the vaccines be approved?

On 16 July, FDA accepted Pfizer’s application “under priority review”—meaning it will move faster than during standard reviews, which typically take at least 10 months; the agency now has until January 2022 to review the materials. That seems like a long time, but last week an FDA official told CNN that the decision is likely to come within 2 months. “The review … has been ongoing, is among the highest priorities of the agency, and the agency intends to complete the review far in advance of the [January] Date,” an FDA press officer confirmed to Science in a statement.

FDA has not formally accepted Moderna’s application, possibly because the company has not yet submitted all the required materials.

 

[EnterTheVoid]

Where I live, the government is taking a zero policy against these unvaccinated pests.

 

The government and the broader public recognise that these pests responsible for spreading the virus and, in turn, causing snap lockdowns to be enforced.

 

Fair play to them.

Edited August 3, 2021 by EnterTheVoid

[Real McCoy]

sciencemag.org is part of aaas.org which is funded by rockefeller foundation . That's all I needed to know. not even reading the article cos I know its BS

 

On 8/1/2021 at 3:39 AM, BacktoCricaddict said:

When will the vaccines get full FDA approval?

 

Short answer:  2 more months, at the earliest.

 

Why so long?  Read on:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/when-will-covid-19-vaccines-be-fully-approved-and-does-it-matter-if-they-are

 

When might the vaccines be approved?

On 16 July, FDA accepted Pfizer’s application “under priority review”—meaning it will move faster than during standard reviews, which typically take at least 10 months; the agency now has until January 2022 to review the materials. That seems like a long time, but last week an FDA official told CNN that the decision is likely to come within 2 months. “The review … has been ongoing, is among the highest priorities of the agency, and the agency intends to complete the review far in advance of the [January] Date,” an FDA press officer confirmed to Science in a statement.

FDA has not formally accepted Moderna’s application, possibly because the company has not yet submitted all the required materials.

 

 

[Real McCoy]

@velu@Jimmy Cliff@coffee_rules FYI

[rkt.india]

6 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said:

Where I live, the government is taking a zero policy against these unvaccinated pests.

 

The government and the broader public recognise that these pests responsible for spreading the virus and, in turn, causing snap lockdowns to be enforced.

 

Fair play to them.

Vaccinated people spread the virus more than unvaccinated at this point. Unvaccinated are more at risk of severe disease than vaccinated.

[Real McCoy]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Vaccinated people spread the virus more than unvaccinated at this point. Unvaccinated are more at risk of severe disease than vaccinated.

You don't get it do ya. He calls the unvaccinated as pests. He wants them gone

[ash]

I think pretty much everyone here agrees that vaccination is the way forward against covid except one or two. They cannot be changed, they don't believe in data or numbers. 

[Real McCoy]

I don't think everyone here accepts the gobarmint and sCiEnCe version of everything about vaccination as god given truth. I think data can be changed easily. Its just like changing numbers on a spreadsheet easy peasy. Even the dollar you see exchanged is printed out of nothing. If a dollar can be printed out of nothing, data or bar charts that you so love can be easily changed. Get out of here man

[EnterTheVoid]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Vaccinated people spread the virus more than unvaccinated at this point. Unvaccinated are more at risk of severe disease than vaccinated.

 

Don't know what nonsense you are on about

 

Unvaccinated pests are the primary reason for the snap lockdowns, they are the ones going around spreading the virus. At least where I am. 

 

Sorry to break it to you but these "people" are absolutely despised. And that is putting it mildly. 

Edited August 3, 2021 by EnterTheVoid

[EnterTheVoid]

1 hour ago, ash said:

I think pretty much everyone here agrees that vaccination is the way forward against covid except one or two. They cannot be changed, they don't believe in data or numbers. 

 

Covidiots and Covidsplaining.

 

New additions to the dictionary

 

For real, Google the terms yourself. 

[Real McCoy]

no amount of emojis and name calling will prevent the truth from coming out which is that this is a hastily orchestrated pandemic with several holes in their theory. I know the bar charts expert praising the swiss cheese model analogy. How about this for an explanation

Replace

Swiss cheese  with media coverage and articles

coorna droplets with attempting to get the truth behind this charade

As is the case with masks not a good preventor of disease, swiss cheese is a stop gap model to obfuscate the truth. They are adding more and more layers to the cheese so much that it looks cheesy. More the media coverage, more questions raised.

[BacktoCricaddict]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Vaccinated people spread the virus more than unvaccinated at this point. Unvaccinated are more at risk of severe disease than vaccinated.

Bhai, the first sentence is not true.  In a single spreader event in Provincetown, Massachusetts, it was found that viral loads in vaccinated people's nasal cavities were the same as those of unvaccinated people.  Based on this study, CDC concluded that --- if infected, vaccinated people can possibly spread Delta as much as (not more than) unvaccinated people. This is why they are recommending that even vaccinated people wear masks, even though their risk of infection is much much smaller than unvaccinated people (reversal of their original advisory).  

 

Your second sentence is definitely true.  This thread alone is full of data showing that (a) vaccinated people are much less likely to get infected and (b) even if infected, severe disease, hospitalization and death are much lower for vaccinated people.  To me, that implies that, unless there is a good reason to not get vaccinated (immunocompromised people, young children for whom it is not approved yet etc), please encourage people to get vaccinated.  The more we can decrease the number of infected people, the more we can decrease transmission and severe illness, the easier we can open up society and come back to normal. 

[Real McCoy]

[ash]

3 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said:

 

Covidiots and Covidsplaining.

 

New additions to the dictionary

 

For real, Google the terms yourself. 

Think this group is fine. Except this @Real McCoyguy everyone here accepts that vaccine works. Yes, some expressed concerns with vaccine safety,  but no one here outright denied that the vaccine is hoax expect this guy. Singlehandedly bringing down the IQ of this forum. 

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Bhai, the first sentence is not true.  In a single spreader event in Provincetown, Massachusetts, it was found that viral loads in vaccinated people's nasal cavities were the same as those of unvaccinated people.  Based on this study, CDC concluded that --- if infected, vaccinated people can possibly spread Delta as much as (not more than) unvaccinated people. This is why they are recommending that even vaccinated people wear masks, even though their risk of infection is much much smaller than unvaccinated people (reversal of their original advisory).  

 

Your second sentence is definitely true.  This thread alone is full of data showing that (a) vaccinated people are much less likely to get infected and (b) even if infected, severe disease, hospitalization and death are much lower for vaccinated people.  To me, that implies that, unless there is a good reason to not get vaccinated (immunocompromised people, young children for whom it is not approved yet etc), please encourage people to get vaccinated.  The more we can decrease the number of infected people, the more we can decrease transmission and severe illness, the easier we can open up society and come back to normal. 

 

I agree with all, except about state mandating masks based on early unprocessed data. That it also what WEF and Big Pharma allegedly are enforcing. Let vaccinated convinced people be safe (for themselves)  spreaders, while data is processed by real scientists instead of state enforcing with mandates and passports. Win-win for everybody. My state wants me to wear masks inside my cubicle while working even though I am vaccinated. fcuk mandates. 

Edited August 3, 2021 by coffee_rules

[EnterTheVoid]

2 hours ago, ash said:

Think this group is fine. Except this @Real McCoyguy everyone here accepts that vaccine works. Yes, some expressed concerns with vaccine safety,  but no one here outright denied that the vaccine is hoax expect this guy. Singlehandedly bringing down the IQ of this forum. 

 

The city I live in, every single snap lockdown was caused by unvaccinated people. Every single one.

 

Unvaccinated people not wearing masks, not adhering to social distancing, not checking in QR codes, not obeying public health guidelines.

 

The damage they have caused is immense:

1. Businesses have been forced to close.
2. People have lost their livelihood and have been forced to live off welfare payments.
3. People have been cut off from their families/relatives living in different states

Agree with @BacktoCricaddict that, unless you have a very good reason to NOT GET VACCINATED, you should get vaccinated.

 

People here have very little patience or time for Covidiots or Covidsplaining. At the least, they will get roughed up. At the extreme end, they can get beaten up.

 

Don't blame them to be honest.

 

Imagine losing a loved one. Imagine loving your livelihood. Only to be told by some attention seeking pest that COVID is a hoax. And vaccinations are causing the pandemic.

[BacktoCricaddict]

58 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

I agree with all, except about state mandating masks based on early unprocessed data. That it also what WEF and Big Pharma allegedly are enforcing. Let vaccinated convinced people be safe (for themselves)  spreaders, while data is processed by real scientists instead of state enforcing with mandates and passports. Win-win for everybody. My state wants me to wear masks inside my cubicle while working even though I am vaccinated. fcuk mandates. 

While I agree with you in principle on the mask mandates, it is a delicate balancing act.  When the Provincetown news came out, media jumped on it and pressed the panic button.  Instead of showing the data in the proper context, they just highlighted "vaccinateds can spread it too."  CDC had to react in some way.  Not only that, until we have 70% fully vaccinated, these flare-ups will happen without masking.  It was rock-and-a-hard-place for CDC; I'll bet that it was a 51-49 decision - and they went with the cautionary approach.