mishra Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 22 hours ago, rising said: So does that give you some hope ISI is Pakistan has improved as they are supposed main backers of Taliban providing them safe heaven? A weaker Afghanistan is a tool for ISI and Pak mil. Now as soon as there is a stronger Taliban, things become different. As far as what I could gather from my personal acquaintances, It seems this time round, they are not going to repeat the mistake of nineties. They were always powerful enogh and had numbers in their favour. They need to be measured on governance. Not on basis of past as that option will play into Pakmil and ISI hands. We have two bad options, we have to choose least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rising Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 47 minutes ago, mishra said: A weaker Afghanistan is a tool for ISI and Pak mil. Now as soon as there is a stronger Taliban, things become different. As far as what I could gather from my personal acquaintances, It seems this time round, they are not going to repeat the mistake of nineties. They were always powerful enogh and had numbers in their favour. They need to be measured on governance. Not on basis of past as that option will play into Pakmil and ISI hands. We have two bad options, we have to choose least. I don't really agree on first point I feel it might make Pakistan government position weaker but ISI stronger As for on Taliban I don't know much about people involved in Taliban so I can't argue if you have some personal acquaintances, only thing I can say we will know real Taliban only once media and armies fully evacuate and Taliban is under control without much international coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, rising said: I don't really agree on first point I feel it might make Pakistan government position weaker but ISI stronger Its just guestimatiin. i believe a out of power Taliban need Pakistan army to support its war against Afghanistan government. Thing is, as soon as they are in power, their need to support from Pak Mil and ISI diminishes. Since I can’t see any intervention coming from anywhere, I would rather just hope positive. PS: Pakistan ( since last few days) has put a blockade between India and Afghanistan trade route. I can guess it as pressure tactics they are using on New gvmnt Edited August 19, 2021 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, mishra said: Its just guestimatiin. i believe a out of power Taliban need Pakistan army to support its war against Afghanistan government. Thing is, as soon as they are in power, their need to support from Pak Mil and ISI diminishes. Since I can’t see any intervention coming from anywhere, I would rather just hope positive. PS: Pakistan ( since last few days) has put a blockade between India and Afghanistan trade route. I can guess it as pressure tactics they are using on New gvmnt Disagree The haqqani faction needs support from isi Atm the leader of taliban is a compromise candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: Disagree The haqqani faction needs support from isi Atm the leader of taliban is a compromise candidate. I agree with huge concerns on Haqqani network. But Quetta Shura is probabbly even bigger challenge which might be allmost filled by ISI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 A very decent article. https://thediplomat.com/2021/08/how-the-taliban-used-pakistan/ https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/afghanistan-taliban-pakistan-7460875/ Taliban is effectively having bigger Support base and may be seen as more Secure then Pak Mil in the region. They do not like durand line, ie they can bring war to Pakistan if need be. They want access to Port. And Pakistan runs the risk. As I said, immediately after the takeover, Pakistan stopped Afghanistan to have access to its Port. IMO, geo strategic game has just started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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someone Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Must watch. We are being brainwashed, and sold propaganda. Complicated is only a myth. It's simple where, USA had and even now have, the capability and resources to change it. Yet, it does not, especially with regards to Pakistan who are supported well by all parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jimmy Cliff Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Joined It just finished. I had joined about 45 minutes ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: It just finished. I had joined about 45 minutes ago. What’s his cred? He had insights about the 3rd wave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cliff Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: What’s his cred? He had insights about the 3rd wave He's a lawyer based in New Delhi who's co-written a couple of books on geopolitics. Mudiji used to follow him on Teettar. Not sure if he still does. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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