'I've achieved all I wanted' - Ravi Shastri

[Ankit_sharma03]

22 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

We trash bewda all the time but its time we acknowledge his coaching capabilities as well. I have always seen him as a motivator of younguns with this pep talk. It may sound corny and funny to the young guys but he makes you feel part of the team with his shenanigans. He knew his role was to give motivation to young guys and also not disturb the fragile ego of rat which is why him and important person gave credit to rat after BG trophy victory. He surrounded himself with Bharat Arun who looks like the guy who buys vadapav and other side dishes to Shastri's whiskey but turns out to be a great find for our bowlers. Say hello to the rascala of Indian cricket.

 

 

 

what a cool guy, may be he gets pulled out becoz of these so called notion Indian coach hai to drvaid ka dusra avtaar hone chahiaye......nonsense

HE is blunt n in ur face again something against notions 

[poyzzplaidwell]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

what a cool guy, may be he gets pulled out becoz of these so called notion Indian coach hai to drvaid ka dusra avtaar hone chahiaye......nonsense

HE is blunt n in ur face again something against notions 

yeah. He takes no ****. He played like that was one of the few who stood up against sledging of OZ and English back in the day.

And he has cricketing credentials too.. Centuries overseas, Man of Tournament in a multi country tourney.. What more do you expect from him.

We won twice in Oz and lead in England in a span of 5 years.. Good stuff.

I really liked his part about Kambli in this interview, if he was around Mumbai cricket then Kambli may be would not have been lost.

[Khota]

Yes he has.

 

He is Exhibit A for everything wrong with India.

[Real McCoy]

11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

what a cool guy, may be he gets pulled out becoz of these so called notion Indian coach hai to drvaid ka dusra avtaar hone chahiaye......nonsense

HE is blunt n in ur face again something against notions 

ok this is getting a bit too much

[Adamant]

16 hours ago, sandeep said:

 

-Not a single young batsman has been allowed to emerge in ODI cricket.  Not one.  You can't just put this on Shastri - if you are being objective.  There were multiple selectors who allowed Virat to get away with it, along with Shastri. 

Kl Rahul, Rishabh Pant. 

[sandeep]

5 hours ago, Adamant said:

Kl Rahul, Rishabh Pant. 

Rahul had to resort to keeping wickets for 50 overs to save himself from being dropped from the ODI team.  

 

Rishabh Pant?  That's the guy who was dumped from the ODI team to "make room for Rahul".  

 

For 5 years Kohli foisted older "prospects" like Rayudu, Jadhav, Karthik, or Vijay Shankar on us, instead of giving fair run to the likes of Rahul, Pant, Iyer.  And even those "prospects" never got put in optimal positions that gave them best chance to succeed.  They were given handful of games, "down the order" with maximum risk, asked to throw their bats around to 'push team total high' in the last overs, while the top 3 'farmhouse boys' batsmen racked up ODI centuries playing percentage cricket to "set the platform". 

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, Adamant said:

Kl Rahul, Rishabh Pant. 

 

dont get me started - these 2 are the worst xample u picked 

[Straight Drive]

So he gets contended with India winning in Australia even though team did not win test finals or any finals in LOI .

 

India won the 1983 world cup under leadership of  Kapil as a player, a captain and in times when there was no dedicated coach with team manager and captain chipping in with works that seaparate people (coaches) are recruited now. Shastri gets contended for India not winning world cup even though team had so many managers,support staff and assistant coaches unlike Kapil who did so much as a palyer an d captain in 1983 doing more roles than he was selected for and winning it not having even half or 30 % of the support staff that Shastri has.

Edited September 20, 2021 by Straight Drive

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

 

 They were given handful of games, "down the order" with maximum risk, asked to throw their bats around to 'push team total high' in the last overs, while the top 3 'farmhouse boys' batsmen racked up ODI centuries playing percentage cricket to "set the platform". 

 Can you tell me which period you are talking about? 

Coz if it's before 2019 wc then you are totally wrong,  we didn't have a proper middle order at that time and our top 3 had no other option but to score most of the runs. It's a fact 

 

Secondly if you are talking about post wc 19 period then the top 3 hasn't even scored many centuries (Kohli hasn't scored one for last two years) in that period so your allegation that "they racked up centuries" is again not based on facts but frustration. 

 

Lastly Kl Rahul himself is responsible for most of these things, he bats at a painfully low str rate whenever he gets a chance to open, even in the last eng series he was blamed for lack of Intent. As for his performance as opener in WC, you yourself know about that. 

 

It's just that we didn't have any great options going into wc 2019, Pant wasbl too young, we have all seen how good Iyer is against proper fast bowling and Sanju Samson is a failure. So unless you can suggest any names that could have been a proper fit for our middle order I"ll say that we just didn't have enough batting talent at that time and I don't care about performances in TNPL or ISL and SLPL. 

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

dont get me started - these 2 are the worst xample u picked 

Kl Rahul batted at a painfully low str rate in the world cup, I know you will say now that TM told him to do that but even in IPL he does the same and even in against England this year he was blamed for batting at a low str rate. 

 

Pant was too young in 2019, and he has established himself in all three formats at age of 23, what else you want? 

[Ankit_sharma03]

31 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Kl Rahul batted at a painfully low str rate in the world cup, I know you will say now that TM told him to do that but even in IPL he does the same and even in against England this year he was blamed for batting at a low str rate. 

 

yes TM have told him, Bangar has said same on air

How is that same batsman has a s/r of whooping 113 at 5 ...ability to problem nhin hai 

 

The guy shud have been our no 4 before 2019 Wc but kohli made a hash of it

 

31 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Pant was too young in 2019, and he has established himself in all three formats at age of 23, what else you want? 

n thats why without prep he was send to no.4 in semi final 

[Adamant]

15 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

yes TM have told him, Bangar has said same on air

How is that same batsman has a s/r of whooping 113 at 5 ...ability to problem nhin hai 

 

The guy shud have been our no 4 before 2019 Wc but kohli made a hash of it

 

n thats why without prep he was send to no.4 in semi final 

You couldn't even come up with a single name for our middle order and we have debated on thus three or four times. I think that settles it. 

No Bangar didn't say anything close to that, it's you who interpreted it according to your preconceived notions. 

Why does he bat at 125 str rate in ipl? 

Why did he bat slowly vs eng this year? 

Did the TM again told him to do so? 

Pant was sent at no. 4 bcoz of the paucity of quality middle order bats and it was a desperate move, he did way better than others. 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Adamant

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

You couldn't even come up with a single name for our middle order and we have debated on thus three or four times. I think that settles it. 

 

what ??

 

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No Bangar didn't say anything close to that, it's you who interpreted it according to your preconceived notions. 

 

yes he did , India -Aus 3rd ODI banglore when KL opened again after playing that 80 knock in 2nd ODI at 5

 

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Why does he bat at 125 str rate in ipl? 

 

he has batted in last 2 season due to lack of middle order

 

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Why did he bat slowly vs eng this year? 

 

learned from the seniors , he doesnt bat slowly he starts slowly very much like kohli n Rohit 

 

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Did the TM again told him to do so? 

Pant was sent at no. 4 bcoz of the paucity of quality middle order bats and it was a desperate move, he did way better than others. 

 

becoz kohli didnt build it, he wasted time on guys like rayudu, rahane, yuvi 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[Adamant]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

what ??

 

 

yes he did , India -Aus 3rd ODI banglore when KL opened again after playing that 80 knock in 2nd ODI at 5

 

 

he has batted in last 2 season due to lack of middle order

 

Haha, Checkmate! 

 

learned from the seniors , he doesnt bat slowly he starts slowly very much like kohli n Rohit 

 

 

becoz kohli didnt build it, he wasted time on guys like rayudu, rahane, yuvi 

Again you skipped the main part, suggest one name who could have solved our middle order problem. You have skipped this question 3 times now. 

 

Again, learning from the seniors is such a bad explanation, the seniors started playing in lates noughties and till 2019 world cup their approach was totally justified,  why is he not batting according to his potential?  

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Again you skipped the main part, suggest one name who could have solved our middle order problem. You have skipped this question 3 times now. 

 

and that one name was never tried,infact shankar was another again got his chances late 

 

Even if their was one example they tried every wrong xample over it. Checkmate ...haha 

After messing no.4 u shudnt even justify it

 

6 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Again, learning from the seniors is such a bad explanation, the seniors started playing in lates noughties and till 2019 world cup their approach was totally justified,  why is he not batting according to his potential?  

 

yea if it doesnt suit u its a bad example

they always started slow and that has been template even asked from youngsters eg pant also 

[vvvslaxman]

Creditable Test match wins in Australia/England. Not sure whether he played any role. That is a different matter.  Because we won due to outstanding individuals especially freshers. Being the coach he has to take credit for wins. Same way he has to take credit for failures. Ambati Rayudu experiment under beer man will not be forgotten. Subsequent team selection mess up was a huge set back for us.  Kohli was quick to sit Ashwin out citing he was not suitable to play in those conditions. But he didn't do the same when Agarwal and Shaw did poorly in tour games/ODI but Gill was scoring runs. He never preferred Gill. Shastri  was just being an YES man