Pakistan won 19 out of 24 ODIs against India under captaincy of Imran Khan

[Mariyam]

14 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

You like it or not but Pakistan have been a superior team compared to India for most times.

Riddle me this:

Despite of being superior, as you put it, why has Pakistan, across generations lost *all*  WC ( ODI and T20) encounters against India? Even when they were clear favourites, they lost. These are games where viewership is at its highest and there is a lot at stake.

 

IMO most Pakistanis, if privately asked, in the heart of their hearts would swap their winning head to head for a WC domination vs India.

[Mesky99]

Just now, Serpico said:

They lost 11 world Cup matches including a quarter final, semi final and finals so not sure about the first statement. If anything they won in a lot of Sharjah cup, pepsi cup games and went missing in world cups. We didn't have proper fast bowlers and still became no.1 in tests for longer periods and won more world cups. In the end its a team game. 

 

 

"We didn't have proper fast bowlers' exactly until recently our pace bowling stocks were laughable, since 2000 CB series in Australia India lead 28-26 but even at their worse they were very competitive, until the Asia cup games in 2018, they were still leading head to head 26-25. They beat us like 6 times in 9 games during the 2004-2006 period, we lost a odi at home Eden gardens after scoring around 300 runs that's how rubbish our bowling was, pakistan batsmen like basit Ali would not even wear helmets against our pacers for most of the 90s. Our fan base needs to calm down.

 

[Mesky99]

Just now, Mariyam said:

Riddle me this:

Despite of being superior, as you put it, why has Pakistan, across generations lost *all*  WC ( ODI and T20) encounters against India? Even when they were clear favourites, they lost. These are games where viewership is at its highest and there is a lot at stake.

 

IMO most Pakistanis, if privately asked, in the heart of their hearts would swap their winning head to head for a WC domination vs India.

The world cup games between ind Vs Pak started 90s onwards, my statement remains correct even if India won the world games Pakistan was still a lot superior except 2011 onwards but again we got a body blow by the likes of Junaid khan and Nasir jamshed in 2012 in India, it could have been 3-0 if not for ishants heroics

[Serpico]

7 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

They beat us like 6 times in 9 games during the 2004-2006

Thats an incredibly specific period to cling on to. Am I missing something? What happened in 2003 and 2007 that they didn't meet this critera. Anyway as you have said, India has been leading since 2000 cb series in ODIs despite not playing with them regularly at our strongest. This is the third decade now and Pakistan doesn't look like its turning it around, so you will have to cling on to 80s and 90s sharjah cup memories for the foreseeable future, brother

[Mesky99]

Just now, Serpico said:

Every cricket board is richer today than they have ever been in the past including pcb. Enough with these excuses already

Pakistan ain't even a cricket crazy nation like India, when on equal financial terms throughout the 80s, 90s and most of 2000s they were a superior team than India, there is nothing wrong in accepting the truth and the fake jingoism should be kept away, not just cricket even in hockey they have dominated us. But India should be given credit that they somehow stayed a competitive team eventhough we had no fast bowlers bar a couple of medium pacers, under dravid we started building some decent pace bowling stock, the likes of sreesanth, rp Singh, munaf, agarkar were all bowling decent speeds but sadly the team management nor dhoni later had any foresight regarding backing real pace bowlers, non of the bowlers were ever developed, no workload management, no input, just randomly playing bowlers any format, someone like munaf was being wasted in odis initially but he should have played more test cricket, we had Manpreet gony who could have been a prospect but Mithun and Vinay like trundlers got their test caps, unadkat played ahead of Umesh in Johanesburg test 2010 and they even brought back balaji in the 2009 squad for the test series in New Zealand.

Edited September 29, 2021 by Mesky99

[Mesky99]

Just now, Serpico said:

Thats an incredibly specific period to cling on to. Am I missing something? What happened in 2003 and 2007 that they didn't meet this critera. Anyway as you have said, India has been leading since 2000 cb series in ODIs despite not playing with them regularly at our strongest. This is the third decade now and Pakistan doesn't look like its turning it around, so you will have to cling on to 80s and 90s sharjah cup memories for the foreseeable future, brother

28-26 is still pretty close ,until asia cup 2018 they were leading 26-25 head to head wise since the CB series in 2000. But yhh carry on with the jingoism if that suits your agenda.

[mishra]

Throughout Imrans career, There were three matches played between India and Pakistan in SENA venue and Pakistan lost all 3.

 

 

Any Pakistani with any sanity  can easily see that they had player number 12 and 13  (Umpires) as well as  number 14 (bottle caps) and as soon as these 3 additional players were taken out from equation, Auqaat Atomi Taaqat jaise ho gaye.

Edited September 29, 2021 by mishra

[Gambit]

Pakistani fans are like the "humare zamane main" Uncle who can only relive the few glory days they had because they have nothing today except their fungus riddled cassettes and DVDs of matches that happened eons ago and which get taken out from dusty shelves to cope with yet another loss to us. They sit in their chairs rocking back and forth with misty eyes muttering "mere Javed- Imran" aayenge.

 

Despite their superior record to us, they have won fewer world cups than us, have never been #1 in test cricket for as long as we have and have never won series in more countries than we have. Furthermore, each one of their jazbaa and junoon filled sides in the last 30 years have carried on the glorious tradition of losing to all kinds of Indian sides in World Cups - poor, mediocre, good and great. They also have the heartbreaking achievement of losing to us in a QF, SF and Final. No Indian fan will ever trade their record for ours. Not a chance.

 

I think what really gets their goat now is that their last remaining bastion of boasting i.e. pace bowling has crumbled. We undoubtedly have a much better and meaner pace attack that their <insert names that will go into oblivion in 12 months>. This is the straw that's broken their backs. 

[coffee_rules]

Two words - Sharjah and Bottle tops

[coffee_rules]

7 hours ago, Gambit said:

Pakistani fans are like the "humare zamane main" Uncle who can only relive the few glory days they had because they have nothing today except their fungus riddled cassettes and DVDs of matches that happened eons ago and which get taken out from dusty shelves to cope with yet another loss to us. They sit in their chairs rocking back and forth with misty eyes muttering "mere Javed- Imran" aayenge.

 

Despite their superior record to us, they have won fewer world cups than us, have never been #1 in test cricket for as long as we have and have never won series in more countries than we have. Furthermore, each one of their jazbaa and junoon filled sides in the last 30 years have carried on the glorious tradition of losing to all kinds of Indian sides in World Cups - poor, mediocre, good and great. They also have the heartbreaking achievement of losing to us in a QF, SF and Final. No Indian fan will ever trade their record for ours. Not a chance.

 

I think what really gets their goat now is that their last remaining bastion of boasting i.e. pace bowling has crumbled. We undoubtedly have a much better and meaner pace attack that their <insert names that will go into oblivion in 12 months>. This is the straw that's broken their backs. 

How will they watch old tapes when they have broken their TV sets in recent times  

[Jay]

10 hours ago, Gambit said:

Pakistani fans are like the "humare zamane main" Uncle who can only relive the few glory days they had because they have nothing today except their fungus riddled cassettes and DVDs of matches that happened eons ago and which get taken out from dusty shelves to cope with yet another loss to us. They sit in their chairs rocking back and forth with misty eyes muttering "mere Javed- Imran" aayenge.

 

Despite their superior record to us, they have won fewer world cups than us, have never been #1 in test cricket for as long as we have and have never won series in more countries than we have. Furthermore, each one of their jazbaa and junoon filled sides in the last 30 years have carried on the glorious tradition of losing to all kinds of Indian sides in World Cups - poor, mediocre, good and great. They also have the heartbreaking achievement of losing to us in a QF, SF and Final. No Indian fan will ever trade their record for ours. Not a chance.

 

I think what really gets their goat now is that their last remaining bastion of boasting i.e. pace bowling has crumbled. We undoubtedly have a much better and meaner pace attack that their <insert names that will go into oblivion in 12 months>. This is the straw that's broken their backs. 

yep the last part is true. Pace bowling culture is now embedded in india and it really hurts us alot. We used to revel in the past knowing fully well how good our pace attack was. Although results say otherwise to be fair. we never won a series in australia, west indies or s.africa. 3 of the tougher SENAW countries to tour. Only reason we excelled vs england is due to county experience. Its a joke. 

 

Now until about 2015 you could say pakistan had a better bowling attack. Since then things have changed. However, now, india have conquered that aspect of cricket too. They possess the best ever pace attack of ASIA. This stings our fans the most. Its hard to accept this fact. 

 

Most of us delusional pakistanis still think we are facing some malnourished under strength weak unfit indian bowlers from the past. Life goes on. time moves on quickly. If you dont adapt, you get run over by a train. Things will only get worse for us given how strong india's domestic system is now.