Pakistan won 19 out of 24 ODIs against India under captaincy of Imran Khan

[Trichromatic]

Saw it in an old video where Ramiz Raja mentioned this point. 

 

Pakistan won 19, India won 4 and 1 was no result.

 

Out of 4 there was 1 won match in 1992 WC in which SRT was MoM.

 

1 match had scored tied, but Pakistan lost based on rules then which declared team with fewer wickets lost as winner. I remember reading about this match in 2002 cricket samrat that both teams had lost same number of wickets and in such case winner was decided by score till 25th over with which Pakistan was ahead. Abdul Qadir who wasn't aware of this rule, tried to take single off last ball and was run out converting a won match to loss.

[zen]

Ind’s win v Pak have been memorable though 

 

125 all out, Pak 87 all out

2 wins in World Series in Aus

A game in 1987 home series (scores level but Ind lost fewer wkts so game awarded to it)

A win in the 1992 World Cup 

 

Pak has had its moments too with the last ball 6 and beating Ind in the Nehru Cup (Imran scored 70 odd or something if I am not wrong. Was like the player of that tournament). Pak used to do very well in bilaterals.

In that era, Pak was competing well with WI. Made SF of all world cups from 1979 to 1992. It played the final of the World Series in Australia. And won the Nehru Cup and the 1992 World Cup.

Edited September 23, 2021 by zen

[Jimmy Cliff]

They had a 20-4 record against us from Apr 18, 1986 - Mar 8, 1996 (basically from Miandad's six to Jadeja's assault on Waqar).

[singhprakash72]

Nothing new ...post 1986 India's record in ODIs was pretty pathetic. We have similar record against WI, Aus and SA (post 1991) in that period . Pakistan on other hand a pretty strong side (mainly bowling) right through out late 80s and 90s. In fact the side after Imran retired was even stronger and their team between '93 to '99 was strongest albeit they were still unpredictable. They shouldn't have lost those WC games against India in 90s. By mid 90s we started winning some games but still Pakistan rolling over us in most series except WC. 

[Rightarmfast]

A lot many of those matches were in Sharjah and the umpiring was beyond pathetic. However, no shame in admitting that Pakistan was a better team and Imran was a champion, even without ball tampering.

[Suhaan]

13 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

A lot many of those matches were in Sharjah and the umpiring was beyond pathetic. However, no shame in admitting that Pakistan was a better team and Imran was a champion, even without ball tampering.

Long time,welcome back

[diga]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

A lot many of those matches were in Sharjah and the umpiring was beyond pathetic. However, no shame in admitting that Pakistan was a better team and Imran was a champion, even without ball tampering.

+1, our team was also much behind in fitness standards required for ODI cricket and the 90s were the dark period under the cloud of match fixing. 

[Sean Bradley]

This is why Sourav Ganguly should be hailed as father of Modern Indian Cricket, Dada completely turned the face of Indian Cricket and made it what it is today. Sure there were better cricketers and captains than Ganguly in the past, but Ganguly had such impact that from being a nothing Cricket team and Cricket Board to the rise of No.1 Team and Richest Cricket Board, the initiation to this happened after Ganguly took over as captain. 

Edited September 27, 2021 by Sean Bradley

[rangeelaraja]

13 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

Rise of No. Team and Richest Cricket Board, the initiation to this happened after Ganguly took over as captain. 

 

 

He deserves some credit, but the "richest" bit had more to do with India's economic boom that coincided with his captaincy.

 

The marked shift in  attitude of India cricketers is a mere reflection of the confidence of India as a nation that grew by leaps and bounds post 2000.

 

And it will only go one way as India's economy continues to grow and dwarf the economic and geopolitical stature of the "lesser" cricket playing nations.

 

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by rangeelaraja

[G_B_]

India in the 1970s and 1980s was such a weak as fudge defensive team.

 

If you look at series won in the 1970s 80s and 90s at home India had a boss record. But 4 match series became 1-0 series wins. Why? Cause india took the lead and then ended up being defensive and produced pattas so that there would be 5 days of cricket and the board could make money.

 

Thank god we moved away from that loser mentality.

 

 

Re the ODIs

 

A lot of these matches were in the gulf and the truth is that our defensive mindset from the test seeped into our ODI game. Pakistan were a better team though, so they would still have won more.

[diga]

55 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

He deserves some credit, but the "richest" bit had more to do with India's economic boom that coincided with his captaincy.

 

The marked shift in  attitude of India cricketers is a mere reflection of the confidence of India as a nation that grew by leaps and bounds post 2000.

 

And it will only go one way as India's economy continues to grow and dwarf the economic and geopolitical stature of the "lesser" cricket playing nations.

 

 

Yes... I think Sachin signed with Mascarenhas around 1996 even before Ganguly took over which mostly has to do with ESPN contending for cricket rights and Sachin becoming a global face of Indian cricket

[R!TTER]

1 hour ago, Sean Bradley said:

captains than Ganguly in the past

I've always rated Ganguly higher than Dravid & especially MS, with the resources he had he was IMO better than both & his legacy is like no other in Indian cricket 

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

He deserves some credit, but the "richest" bit had more to do with India's economic boom that coincided with his captaincy.

 

The marked shift in  attitude of India cricketers is a mere reflection of the confidence of India as a nation that grew by leaps and bounds post 2000.

 

And it will only go one way as India's economy continues to grow and dwarf the economic and geopolitical stature of the "lesser" cricket playing nations.

 

 

 

yup yup.

 

india at this stage of development is such a strong team. what will it be like in 10-20-30 years? by mid century we should have russian standards of living but with a population 11 times as much.

 

i think 2020s is when india will completely pull away. and by beginning next decade india winning will be like a formality.

 

the recent u19 tournaments show that. india made the finals in all of the last 3 and many of them  have already made it into the international sides and played some good innings.

 

2016 - pant, sundar. a wk batsman and a spinning allrounder of that potential

2018 - gill, shaw. two batsmen of such potential. mavi, nagarkotti, porel waiting,

2020 - jaiswal, tyagi, bishnoi.

 

all of these guys have potential to be very good players (pujara, shami level) if not atgs (sachin, bumrah level). and now we have the pathways to turn potential into performance due to our systems - state of the art coaches, facilities, ipl for lois, a tours for tests etc. the possibility of talent wastage is very less.

 

all of the hyped cricketers who have debuted for india in the last 10 years have had a decent if not great career - i cant really see many umar akmal, mohd. amir style fiascos. even guys who started crap like jadeja, rohit and ishant will retire with very respectable figures.

 

all of these kids will be in their late 20s early 30s by beginning of next decade. god help everyone else.

[MechEng]

Congratulations *slowly claps*

[New guy]

2 hours ago, Sean Bradley said:

This is why Sourav Ganguly should be hailed as father of Modern Indian Cricket, Dada completely turned the face of Indian Cricket and made it what it is today. Sure their were better cricketers and captains than Ganguly in the past, but Ganguly had such impact that from being a nothing Cricket team and Cricket Board to the rise of No. Team and Richest Cricket Board, the initiation to this happened after Ganguly took over as captain. 

Nah money was brought into Indian cricket by sachin, he was even selling milk ads in Dubai at his peak. Most big sponsors entered indian cricket to first sponsor sachin and then started with other indian players and indian team. Brand sachin was the first global brand in cricket

[speedheat]

Something has to be done about this dismal head-to-head record. I can't speak for T20I, but we are still a better ODI and test side than Pakistan, perhaps we should arrange 3-4 series soon to narrow the gap.

[Rantzz]

Lots of ball tampering, chucking, and overall cheating from Pakistanis

[Jay]

9 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

A lot many of those matches were in Sharjah and the umpiring was beyond pathetic. However, no shame in admitting that Pakistan was a better team and Imran was a champion, even without ball tampering.

This is true. It's a combination to be honest. Shambling umpiring. Matches also played in sharja which favour the Pakistanis. However, they were the better side by far. Bowling was much superior. We had mediocre fast bowlers and ok spinners. Batsmen who couldn't play bounce etc. .

I am still surprised we always pumped them in the world cups during 90s lmao. 

 

Maybe with better officiating the record may have been slightly better vs them in that period perhaps. 

 

Post 96, things changed. Post 2002 ish is when india took over handily. 

[Jay]

22 minutes ago, Rantzz said:

Lots of ball tampering, chucking, and overall cheating from Pakistanis

Could be true but no evidence to substantiate that rhetoric. Even factoring In the cheating, let's be honest, their bowling was far superior at the time.

[Number]

18 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

They had a 20-4 record against us from Apr 18, 1986 - Mar 8, 1996 (basically from Miandad's six to Jadeja's assault on Waqar).

 

In how many of these we were led by match fixer who was in the pocket of Dawood ?