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Jimmy Anderson hits back at Michael Vaughan telling for England to drop him and labelling his future 'the elephant in the room'

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putrevus Grand Master

putrevus

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Forced changes are not needed for any team unless you have a player waiting in wings to take over. Does England have any bowler who can do well in Australia.Archer might be one but anybody else. 

vvvslaxman Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Texan said:

If Michael Vaughan feels that Anderson is to blame for the Ashes defeat, then I don't know what he is watching or smoking.

 

As you get older and older, tolerance for drop in performance will go down. Their batting was the problem. Australian wickets are true wickets where you can make runs if you see off early threat. They went in with two useless openers and consistently exposed the middle order to new ball. That is where the problem is.

ShoonyaSifar Community Regular

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Vaughan is absolutely correct. Anderson and Broad hanging on will keep England away from going into the much needed transition. 

 

They have been a good servant of the English cricket but there comes a time to quit. Their stats in the Ashes has been average at best. 8 wickets in 3 tests for Anderson and 7 wickets in 2 tests for Broad. Okay but nothing great. Broad, despite his 5-er in the last test, is finished.

 

They have now lost 4 back to back test series - 2 vs India home and away one vs NZ at home and now an away Ashes. The team needs a transition and these two are holding back that process.

 

 

mishra Grand Master

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ECB has failed to attract foreign players specially South Africa, And places like Scotlan Newzealand , carribeans and other colonies.

 

Past apathy with local talent of certain colour of players is also hurting. So all in all, English cricket is going south. No need to blame Anderson or Root or Broady. Loosing is going to become a habbit very soon.

LordPrabhzy Grand Master

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1 hour ago, mishra said:

ECB has failed to attract foreign players specially South Africa, And places like Scotlan Newzealand , carribeans and other colonies.

 

Past apathy with local talent of certain colour of players is also hurting. So all in all, English cricket is going south. No need to blame Anderson or Root or Broady. Loosing is going to become a habbit very soon.

 

Well Brexit has ensured the Kolpak nonsense has ended so they wont have the luxury of white SA players anymore...

 

British Asians esp Indians dont get the chances to play professional cricket, their First class quality is mediocre at best- they are hit and giggle hacking specialists now

Clarke Mentor

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Unlike our Pujane, these guys are actually competing with the other Eng bowlers on performance basis. Its up to the selectors to pick from the younger crop but Anderson or any other cricketer would surely be pissed and rightly so if he were to be dropped on age and nothing else. 

 

Its also illogical to expert anyone to retire including non-performers; why should anyone end their chances of a lucrative job if those responsible for selection deem you worthy, or even otherwise ?

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R!TTER Grand Master

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5 minutes ago, Clarke said:

if he were to be dropped on age and nothing else. 

Except that's not the reason at all -

View overall figures [change view]
Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2019
Involving the player JM Anderson (ENG)
Innings in match 3rd innings  or 4th innings
Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 10
Ordered by bowling average (ascending)
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Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10  
AR Patel (INDIA) 2021-2021 2 2 39.0 6 80 10 5/32 11/70 8.00 2.05 23.4 2 1  
R Ashwin (INDIA) 2021-2021 3 3 55.2 9 156 15 6/61 9/207 10.40 2.81 22.1 2 0  
NM Lyon (AUS) 2019-2022 4 3 81.0 31 132 10 6/49 9/161 13.20 1.62 48.6 1 0  
JJ Bumrah (INDIA) 2021-2021 5 4 62.0 14 150 11 5/64 9/110 13.63 2.41 33.8 1 0  
MJ Leach (ENG) 2021-2022 4 4 65.5 7 234 12 4/59 6/181 19.50 3.55 32.9 0 0  
BA Stokes (ENG) 2019-2022 13 9 107.5 22 340 17 3/35 6/88 20.00 3.15 38.0 0 0  
OE Robinson (ENG) 2021-2021 6 6 108.0 26 316 14 5/65 7/81 22.57 2.92 46.2 1 0  
CR Woakes (ENG) 2019-2021 6 6 81.0 15 250 11 5/50 7/138 22.72 3.08 44.1 1 0  
JC Archer (ENG) 2019-2021 7 6 73.5 17 235 10 5/102 6/167 23.50 3.18 44.3 1 0  
RL Chase (WI) 2019-2020 5 4 91.4 11 284 11 8/60 8/60 25.81 3.09 50.0 1 0  
SCJ Broad (ENG) 2019-2022 14 13 145.2 36 421 15 4/36 10/67 28.06 2.89 58.1 0 1  
MM Ali (ENG) 2019-2021 7 6 136.0 7 549 13 3/78 7/135 42.23 4.03 62.7 0 0  
JM Anderson (ENG) 2019-2022 21 19 257.1 71 631 14 3/17 7/63 45.07 2.45 110.2 0 0  

 

Basically he's just a one innings bowler right now & a bunny with the bat.

Clarke Mentor

Clarke

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5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Except that's not the reason at all -

View overall figures [change view]
Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2019
Involving the player JM Anderson (ENG)
Innings in match 3rd innings  or 4th innings
Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 10
Ordered by bowling average (ascending)
Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 13 of 13   First Previous Next  Last Return to query menu
Cleared query menu
Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10  
AR Patel (INDIA) 2021-2021 2 2 39.0 6 80 10 5/32 11/70 8.00 2.05 23.4 2 1  
R Ashwin (INDIA) 2021-2021 3 3 55.2 9 156 15 6/61 9/207 10.40 2.81 22.1 2 0  
NM Lyon (AUS) 2019-2022 4 3 81.0 31 132 10 6/49 9/161 13.20 1.62 48.6 1 0  
JJ Bumrah (INDIA) 2021-2021 5 4 62.0 14 150 11 5/64 9/110 13.63 2.41 33.8 1 0  
MJ Leach (ENG) 2021-2022 4 4 65.5 7 234 12 4/59 6/181 19.50 3.55 32.9 0 0  
BA Stokes (ENG) 2019-2022 13 9 107.5 22 340 17 3/35 6/88 20.00 3.15 38.0 0 0  
OE Robinson (ENG) 2021-2021 6 6 108.0 26 316 14 5/65 7/81 22.57 2.92 46.2 1 0  
CR Woakes (ENG) 2019-2021 6 6 81.0 15 250 11 5/50 7/138 22.72 3.08 44.1 1 0  
JC Archer (ENG) 2019-2021 7 6 73.5 17 235 10 5/102 6/167 23.50 3.18 44.3 1 0  
RL Chase (WI) 2019-2020 5 4 91.4 11 284 11 8/60 8/60 25.81 3.09 50.0 1 0  
SCJ Broad (ENG) 2019-2022 14 13 145.2 36 421 15 4/36 10/67 28.06 2.89 58.1 0 1  
MM Ali (ENG) 2019-2021 7 6 136.0 7 549 13 3/78 7/135 42.23 4.03 62.7 0 0  
JM Anderson (ENG) 2019-2022 21 19 257.1 71 631 14 3/17 7/63 45.07 2.45 110.2 0 0  

 

Basically he's just a one innings bowler right now & a bunny with the bat.

 

 

Only jhand-master posted such kind of filters, do you both have something going on ?

 

not that there's anything wrong with it /seinfeldmode

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mishra Grand Master

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1 hour ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

Well Brexit has ensured the Kolpak nonsense has ended so they wont have the luxury of white SA players anymore...

 

British Asians esp Indians dont get the chances to play professional cricket, their First class quality is mediocre at best- they are hit and giggle hacking specialists now

I think Indians gave up on ECB long back because of reasons like  Samit Patel is too fat and  Monty behaviour needs psychiatric help. I am not using it as excuse but Indians know that there are better options outside Cricket when you factor in risk (mostly no support at top level) vs reward. Its mostly Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin ones who now take cricket as career.

But even there we have situation where Moin is retiring despite being  at peak but Some players are automatic selection despite lack of performance.

 

So Vaughns statement has nothing to do with issues with English cricket

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