vvvslaxman Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 51 minutes ago, gattaca said: @vvs is Pakka democrat all the US news currently says Putin is bad person in the world. A bit surprised he know little about Pakistan and China. Defending criminal acts is an art for Rethuglican supporters lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: Defending criminal acts is an art for Rethuglican supporters lol No one is defending war it’s a consequence of events before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, gattaca said: For now putin is Russia no other way around all the oligarchs have put him in place. Of course India can’t put a proper explanation of why it abstained. Russia is an ally through times and you can’t throw you ally under the bus. The bigger question is Why Russia attacked Ukraine its mostly the NATO and EU membership. These things didn’t happen in vaccum also Ukrainian leadership has some blame they are right next to Russia and wanted to join EU and bring NATO forces in the backyard of Russia. Why would Russia let it happen ? You don't wage a war on these half assed explanation when India has every reason to launch a full scale war against Pakistan and still don't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Pakistan buy 75% of their arms from China. China abstained. They just abstained too even though they don't rely on Russia as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, gattaca said: Russia also vetoed resolutions against India 6 times. @putrevus below is the some historical context. Russia stood with India thick and through and even now we can only defend borders because of Russia weapons. It’s funny Portugal was angry that we got our own territory goa back lol and they went to UN. The occupier went to UN to plead justice. https://www.postoast.com/number-of-times-russia-used-veto-power-to-support-india-in-unsc/ How Russia supported India in the UN? As an all-weathered friend, Russia has also utilised its veto power in favour of India throughout the years. In all, the permanent member of the UN Security Council has exercised its veto four times in favour of India. Moscow’s status as a key ally in South Asia has not weakened over the years. It is no secret that throughout the Cold War, the former Soviet Union rejected multiple UNSC resolutions on Kashmir, preventing the internationalization of what is fundamentally a bilateral dispute. Soviet Union was the sole country to block proposals demanding UN action in Kashmir in the UN Security Council in 1957, 1962, and 1971. In December 1961, Russia stood with India when it freed Goa and thrashed NATO member Portugal, causing many in the West to turn crimson. Last but not least, in August 2019, Russia became one of the first countries to define India’s action on Kashmir (scrapping Article 370 and state bifurcation) as strictly an internal matter, calling for a settlement under the 1972 Shimla Agreement and the 1999 Lahore Declaration. Since then, the Russian Foreign Minister and other officials have reaffirmed their position. It was not Russia but Soviet Union that supported india. Soviet 's influence on India was so much that they poisoned Indian PM but Indians remained totally silent. Nehru was impressed by Soviet and Indira too continued that friendship. The socialist policies of congress which bjp supporters criticise day and night were result of Soviet influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 3/2/2022 at 1:43 PM, sandeep said: well thats a bit of a blanket statement. it was a clumsy attempt to say all lives are precious regardless of where the threat comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 3/2/2022 at 1:58 PM, Clarke said: some people expect forum members to act as they please; they will compare 26/11 to covid to suggest reducing defense spending and focusing on health infra. Great idea, assuming we expect citizens to carry AK-47s for self defense just like they should be wearing masks. good grief, you are are way off the mark. re-read what i said. it was a general commentary on the human condition and an observation that some regimes including the UK seemed rather keen to diminish the impact of covid. nobody suggested india cuts its defence spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 3/2/2022 at 2:11 PM, coffee_rules said: There are multiple threads where people have criticized the bombings and are sad for his unnecessary death. But you need to get off your high horse about being high and mighty than the rest of us minions i sincerely poloigise for making you feel like a minion. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: It was in 2014. Significantly reduced over the years. We don't depend on Russia. Russia crippled. India has a 10 years partnership with Israel now. Russia India's growth rate has been higher than Russia's. Now Russia's financial situation will get even worse. We are going to depend on them? We even need bullets from Russia, do you know that? Depending on US, we will end up like Ukraine to Russian aggression when China attacks India. Just like US dumped Ukraine, we will end up fending for ourselves. Humanity gayi tel lene! sandeep and dial_100 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, gattaca said: https://web.stanford.edu/group/tomzgroup/pmwiki/uploads/1074-1962-03-KS-b-RCW.pdf Except Russia everyone said they are disappointed or appalled at India for taking goa back. interesting share, thanks. most other easterrn bloc countries supported india too, now part of nato. it seems the rules are well and good once you have sorted out your own borders and explains why there there is such a clash of values particularly when the ones setting the rules caused much of the mayhem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, goose said: it was a clumsy attempt to say all lives are precious regardless of where the threat comes from. To me, it seems like the 'noise' around India not going along with the 'west' in the reaction to Russian invasion is getting to you... Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: It was in 2014. Significantly reduced over the years. We don't depend on Russia. Russia crippled. India has a 10 years partnership with Israel now. Russia India's growth rate has been higher than Russia's. Now Russia's financial situation will get even worse. We are going to depend on them? You need to read up on some facts before you mouth off. Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 4, 2022 Author Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, sandeep said: To me, it seems like the 'noise' around India not going along with the 'west' in the reaction to Russian invasion is getting to you... i shall elaborate tomorrow! going to bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 23 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: We even need bullets from Russia, do you know that? How f**ing pathetic is that. Vishwaguru wannabe cant even make guns and bullets, forget about complex systems like S400, planes, tanks, helicopters, artillery. Utter shitshow. Allowing these drunk "senior officers" to fantasize about "world class" equipment and spending precious tax money on importing their fantasies, never mind the corruption in the deals. India should have been focusing on making basic military supplies the way it focused on the space program. Even this crisis with Ukraine is an opportunity. When the USSR crumbled so many scientists and engineering talent were snapped up by US and even China - who wasn't as rich back then. Time for India to take a page out of that book with Ukrainian 'refugees'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: We even need bullets from Russia, do you know that? Depending on US, we will end up like Ukraine to Russian aggression when China attacks India. Just like US dumped Ukraine, we will end up fending for ourselves. Humanity gayi tel lene! Russia is an ally of China as well. What are they going to do if we are at war with China? https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/china-russia-trade-has-surged-countries-grow-closer-2022-03-01/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: It was not Russia but Soviet Union that supported india. Soviet 's influence on India was so much that they poisoned Indian PM but Indians remained totally silent. Nehru was impressed by Soviet and Indira too continued that friendship. The socialist policies of congress which bjp supporters criticise day and night were result of Soviet influence. To be honest no one has proof that they poisoned and it’s a big allegation. It would be stupid for a host country to poison the guest. Soviet could have done in India too if they wanted. Policies should be critiqued but Allies are beyond policies. Also policies should transition for betterment it never happened if you compare to china who changed policies after sometime. Edited March 4, 2022 by gattaca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coffee_rules Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 hours ago, sandeep said: How f**ing pathetic is that. Vishwaguru wannabe cant even make guns and bullets, forget about complex systems like S400, planes, tanks, helicopters, artillery. Utter shitshow. Allowing these drunk "senior officers" to fantasize about "world class" equipment and spending precious tax money on importing their fantasies, never mind the corruption in the deals. India should have been focusing on making basic military supplies the way it focused on the space program. Even this crisis with Ukraine is an opportunity. When the USSR crumbled so many scientists and engineering talent were snapped up by US and even China - who wasn't as rich back then. Time for India to take a page out of that book with Ukrainian 'refugees'. That’s kind of myopic . And cynical. I was only talking about depending on Russia for hard power. Absence of Indian hard power doesn’t mean that we don’t dwell in soft power. Yoga, IT,, HR, ancient mysticism etc. sells a lot and esp in last 30 years, India has turned a corner and I believe world view of India has changed from a land of snake charmers. Manufacturing is tough business esp with these emissions police harping on climate change and taxing third world countries. I’d like to believe we are some notches above African nations and ME countries, but don’t have much military independence sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Russia is an ally of China as well. What are they going to do if we are at war with China? https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/china-russia-trade-has-surged-countries-grow-closer-2022-03-01/ But certainly our ties with Russia serves as a deterrent against Chinese offensive more than we being closer to the west Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 India is consistent when they abstain. The West favorite sport is "regime change" and India has never taken a direct stance in it. The irony is Russia is also the West bloc, and the decoupling is propaganda. Then, there is the racist outlook where Ukraine matters because they are "civilized" and full of white people. On India,even today, there are foreign countries thriving for regime change, yet India is friends with them. Maybe, it tells about our great tolerance level and Gandhirian outlook. Or how we have a defensive policy and will not attack others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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