goose Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 India chooses self interest over principle. Discuss! sandeep and Clarke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 That principle will not come face China & Pak on the border, the S400 sure will. mishra, raki05, Yoda-esque and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, goose said: India chooses self interest over principle. Discuss! Which country doesn’t choose self interest? Nehruvian Congress maybe. Definition of principle for the west: America attacks: freedom, liberty and Human rights Russia attacks: Aggression, no value for human rights China attacks: ambitious expansionism Pronciple is all hogwash hypocrisy. Look after your own Ukraise chose to support Pakistan on Kashmir, is against India removing A370 , sanctioned India against nuclear tests and what right do they have demanding support from India? Let ‘em Foff Edited February 26, 2022 by coffee_rules admin420, sandeep, raki05 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Another hypocritical principle: follow this handle, pretty neutral raki05, goose and Vijy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 43 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Which country doesn’t choose self interest? Nehruvian Congress maybe. Definition of principle for the west: America attacks: freedom, liberty and Human rights Russia attacks: Aggression, no value for human rights China attacks: ambitious expansionism Pronciple is all hogwash hypocrisy. Look after your own Ukraise chose to support Pakistan on Kashmir, is against India removing A370 , sanctioned India against nuclear tests and what right do they have demanding support from India? Let ‘em Foff Agreed. Ukraine also keeps selling tanks to Pak. What did Pak vote btw? beetle, raki05 and coffee_rules 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, bharathh said: Agreed. Ukraine also keeps selling tanks to Pak. What did Pak vote btw? Pak is not part of non-perm SC members. If they were, they'd do what Winnie the pooh bear would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted February 26, 2022 Author Share Posted February 26, 2022 mutual self interest sounds great. how far do you take it, what if Putin threatens to nuke, what if he invades another country after Ukraine, at what point do you condemn? where is the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R!TTER Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Nehruvian Congress maybe. Nah, they choose Bofors coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R!TTER Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 25 minutes ago, goose said: mutual self interest sounds great. how far do you take it, what if Putin threatens to nuke, what if he invades another country after Ukraine, at what point do you condemn? where is the line? There is no line, you can't stop mad powerful men - not unless you're willing to kill or get killed, not to mention getting millions if not billions killed in the process! If push comes to shove, like he's an existential threat to Europe or Asia, even China will take him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, goose said: mutual self interest sounds great. how far do you take it, what if Putin threatens to nuke, what if he invades another country after Ukraine, at what point do you condemn? where is the line? Putin was a hero to the west as long as he took care of Chechen rebels or terrorists. But he chose self interest of Russia and planted a pro- Russia leader in Chechnya. Now, that Zelensky is cozying up to NATO , Putin has the same Russian self- Interest in mind, he can’t turn into a nuclear warmonger raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Putin was a hero to the west as long as he took care of Chechen rebels or terrorists. But he chose self interest of Russia and planted a pro- Russia leader in Chechnya. Now, that Zelensky is cozying up to NATO , Putin has the same Russian self- Interest in mind, he can’t turn into a nuclear warmonger My operative phrase "Sab kaminey hain" Added in edit: BTW, Putin is still a hero to some Amreekans. Edited February 26, 2022 by BacktoCricaddict raki05 and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 India is doing well for a change and shouldn't get into all this.apna dekh lo. raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 let's face the facts,the freaking Russians wont come to our aid if we have another war with China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 In any case, Ind does not have as much influence as we would like to believe mishra and Ranvir 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nikrulz Posted February 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, cowboysfan said: let's face the facts,the freaking Russians wont come to our aid if we have another war with China. Russia is the only country to have signed the Special treaty on the same lines of Indo-Soviet pact of the 60's. They have the leash and diplomacy to contain China and bring them to the table like they did after the Galwan valley incident (Mediator role). Faced with similar situation USA will only do Kadi ninda from the sides.... they will not intervene for India nor the West nor the EU. Russia is our Tried and trusted benefactor. We still owe them big for 71' when the entire world put a bounty on us. - The US sent the most largest Aircraft Carrier (USS Enterprise) ever made to threaten India, - Britain sent its Aircraft carrier to threaten India, - Sri Lanka betrayed India and becomes a Fueling Station for Pakistan - Pakistan got Fighter Jets from France, UAE, Jordan, Saudi, & Turkey, - Iran gave logistic & strategic support to Pakistan, - Indonesia dispatched Naval vessels for Pakistan Navy - Meanwhile the NATO and US tried to sanction us at UN but vetoed by the Soviet. Imagine having so much adversaries and still being victorious. It's time we stick up for our own interests. With Russia still being our biggest defense partner (S-400 deal, Brahmos, Sukhois, Make in India collaboration etc). Edited February 26, 2022 by nikrulz coffee_rules, LordPrabhzy, beetle and 7 others 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, cowboysfan said: let's face the facts,the freaking Russians wont come to our aid if we have another war with China. No, they won’t , but they serve as a deterrent in the minimum and reduce the damage, better than being a lapdog of America Edited February 27, 2022 by coffee_rules raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: My operative phrase "Sab kaminey hain" Added in edit: BTW, Putin is still a hero to some Amreekans. As Roosevelt once said about a dictator favoring USA. “Agreed, He is a son of bitch, but he is our son of a bitch”. BacktoCricaddict 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 hours ago, coffee_rules said: As Roosevelt once said about a dictator favoring USA. “Agreed, He is a son of bitch, but he is our son of a bitch”. America's biggest mistakes stem from the above attitude plus the attitude of "enemy's enemy is a friend" ... until they are not. Vijy, coffee_rules and beetle 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 7 hours ago, cowboysfan said: let's face the facts,the freaking Russians wont come to our aid if we have another war with China. They let us fight our wars & enable us with the weapons we need. With America, responding to neighborhood terror factories was a challenge & so was extending our nuclear deterrence. raki05 and beetle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, cowboysfan said: let's face the facts,the freaking Russians wont come to our aid if we have another war with China. Perhaps not. At least they will be neutral instead of claiming to be a partner but morailze and lie about things happening in India through their media. Case in point is the way they treated the farmer and CAA protests in India but clamped down on the trucker protests. US and the west is full of bullshit. They won't help India either. At least Russia's arms sales don't come with conditions for parts and maintenance and peans on how we ought to be a democracy. Indians or PIOs need to understand that there is only set of countries that has actually used nukes, declared multiple wars (in the name of establishing democracy) while propping up dictators when it suits them. In fact other than China and Pak, the only other country to have sent troops vs India is the US. Edited February 27, 2022 by bharathh raki05 and beetle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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