ODI squad for Zimbabwe

[express bowling]

1. Gill

2. Dhawan

3. Samson

4. Washington 

5. Hooda

6. Kishan 

7. Axar

8. Chahar / Avesh 

9. Kuldeep

10. Siraj

11. Prasidh 

 

.... Washington should not be made to bat below 5 as he isn't a slogger yet

.... They are grooming Hooda as Hardik's backup at 6 or 5 in ODIs and he should bat in that role.

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by express bowling

[raki05]

9 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

Man please! When did I say we should look past him? Don't exaggerate. Time is not ripe for him, let him develop first.

 

See the post I was replying to. If he thinks Umran is better than Avesh, he is either blind or just a fanboy.

Avesh is shite....a 135 trundling Giant . As if Umran was compared with Bumrah, Bhuvi or shami. He has been compared with a pathetic Avesh. Arshdeep is the best among younger ones if your concern is line and length and variation bowler and not Avesh. Umran any day wipe the floor with grunting Giant Avesh.

[Chakdephatte]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

How would he develop?

 

How did Bumrah develop? By playing domestic and IPL. By the time he played for India, he was India ready. 

 

Unlike Umran who is totally a potential pick.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[Majestic]

Too much hype for Umran from the fans just for sake of pace. I know he has got good pace but that's not everything. Actually pace at international level without any skill or control is nothing. He needs to develop himself a bit. At the moment, if you bring him at international level, he will try to bowl mid-140s to ensure he bowls with some control as there will be pressure on him that he may get carted away pretty easily and for plenty. Give the guy some time, when right time comes we will use him.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Majestic

[Lone Wolf]

3 hours ago, Suhaan said:

How would he develop?Bowlers playing in A tours,domestics doesn't always help infact lesser sides like Zim,WI also serve the same purpose

Don't exaggerate the term "develop".

Let me tell you ,he will always go for runs but in the meantime he will pick wickets that will result in an Indian win

Indeed these are developmental tours...  Someone like Umran would have used this asA tour game.  Zim recently beat BD & even Pak so they are not at all that worse in fact better among all associate sides. 

Indian selectors are clueless on how to handle someone like Umran & along with ourbfansbthey don't know what an Express bowler brings to the Table.  Avesh has failed in this IPl &b hasn't done anything noteworthy to keep getting selected over Mohsin or Umran. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

Too much hype for Umran from the fans just for sake of pace. I know he has got good pace but that's not everything. Actually pace at international level without any skill or control is nothing. He needs to develop himself a bit. At the moment, if you bring him at international level, he will try to bowl mid-140s to ensure he bowls with some control as there will be pressure on him that he may get carted away pretty easily and for plenty. Give the guy some time, when right time comes we will use him.

Point is if you don't play him even v Zim & selecting mediocre talents like Avesh again & again who failed massively in IPl...  Then u are not using your resources properly. 

Haris Rauf Ferguson all used to play against weaker sides before playing at a higher level. 

Even Mohsin Khan should feel disappointed. 

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

How did Bumrah develop? By playing domestic and IPL. By the time he played for India, he was India ready. 

 

Unlike Umprotocois totally a potential pick.

You don't always folow a protocol,this pragamatism won't work all the time in shortwst of formats

Didn't say he must be given all the chances in tests and odis for India going forward

He can be an handy alternative in Australia,even if he's raw

[Chakdephatte]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Indeed these are developmental tours...  Someone like Umran would have used this asA tour game.  Zim recently beat BD & even Pak so they are not at all that worse in fact better among all associate sides. 

Indian selectors are clueless on how to handle someone like Umran & along with ourbfansbthey don't know what an Express bowler brings to the Table. Avesh has failed in this IPl &b hasn't done anything noteworthy to keep getting selected over Mohsin or Umran. 

 

47 wickets at 24.8 and 18 wickets at 23.1 is fail?

Zimbabwe is associate nation?

Tells me enough about how seriously I should consider your posts. Atleast learn to use better excuses.

[Majestic]

25 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

You don't always folow a protocol,this pragamatism won't work all the time in shortwst of formats

Didn't say he must be given all the chances in tests and odis for India going forward

He can be an handy alternative in Australia,even if he's raw

No, he would be like Naseem Shah in his first tour to Australia.

 

Umran is not any sort of extraordinary talent. All he has is some extra pace which we don't know how long can be sustain that.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Majestic said:

No, he would be like Naseem Shah in his first tour to Australia.

 

Umran is not any sort of extraordinary talent. All he has is some extra pace which we don't know how long can be sustain that.

 

Both their situation was and wud be different

• Naseem cud move the ball but test matches are a different beast, he lacked consistency with line , length or fitness . Noway he was going to find success in a test with those issues 
• Umran cant move the ball but anyways old white ball doesn't move much, u need different tools for t20 as u need variation in line n length rather then consistency . Umran also lacks variation but his short ball attack ploy will work in australia . Umran will win u some games out rightly and loose u some as well . Do Dahari Talwar 

I think umran has enough to make tools to do well in Aus in t20 format but is he fitting in the combination with so many options avl for middle phase that is the end question

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Chakdephatte]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

• Umran cant move the ball but anyways old white ball doesn't move much, u need different tools for t20 as u need variation in line n length rather then consistency . Umran also lacks variation but his short ball attack ploy will work in australia . Umran will win u some games out rightly and loose u some as well . Do Dahari Talwar 

I think umran has enough to make tools to do well in Aus in t20 format but is he fitting in the combination with so many options avl for middle phase that is the end question.

 

Short ball ploy. I don't remember him doing it a lot except against hapless Rana. I know he can be useful, but there's an 'if'. His natural/stock length is little fuller than it should be. So naturally, he controls it better than Shortish/BOL bowls.

[Suhaan]

13 minutes ago, Majestic said:

No, he would be like Naseem Shah in his first tour to Australia.

 

Umran is not any sort of extraordinary talent. All he has is some extra pace which we don't know how long can be sustain that.

Umran can be uused int20s 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

Short ball ploy. I don't remember him doing it a lot except against hapless Rana. I know he can be useful, but there's an 'if'. His natural/stock length is little fuller than it should be. So naturally, he controls it better than Shortish/BOL bowls.

he did trouble Rohit also, the best against short ball . He had whole GT, KKR in problem......even MI . Kishen n pandya were in trouble n most batsman around the world are of that caliber in t20 

At that pace he ll trouble anyone if he gets it right with just that ploy. 

 

But yea with him its a big IF thats why no one is sure of him neither TM not Fans . He as a huge plus side but minus too . A batsman getting out on 0 doesnt harm team as much as a bowler giving 50+ runs in 4 overs . If we are getting good 5 bowlers his non selection shudnt be a debate but if we are making compromises in attack like taking prasidh, shami then dropping Umran is very debatable . As of now im very happy with this attack- Bhuvi, bumrah, harshal, arshdeep +1 jo bhi hoga

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

47 wickets at 24.8 and 18 wickets at 23.1 is fail?

Zimbabwe is associate nation?

Tells me enough about how seriously I should consider your posts. Atleast learn to use better excuses.

Abe guru ghantal Zim is not on Test championship table... Played WT20 qualifier a week ago.. ..  You need to be up to date to make arguments.  How many wickets did Avesh pick in IPl compared to Umran this time? 

[Chakdephatte]

40 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Abe guru ghantal Zim is not on Test championship table... Played WT20 qualifier a week ago.. ..  You need to be up to date to make arguments.  How many wickets did Avesh pick in IPl compared to Umran this time? 

 

3 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

47 wickets at 24.8 and 18 wickets at 23.1 is fail?

Zimbabwe is associate nation?

Tells me enough about how seriously I should consider your posts. Atleast learn to use better excuses.

 

Read carefully.

[raki05]

6 hours ago, Majestic said:

Too much hype for Umran from the fans just for sake of pace. I know he has got good pace but that's not everything. Actually pace at international level without any skill or control is nothing. He needs to develop himself a bit. At the moment, if you bring him at international level, he will try to bowl mid-140s to ensure he bowls with some control as there will be pressure on him that he may get carted away pretty easily and for plenty. Give the guy some time, when right time comes we will use him.

I agree with this....but how come this trundling Giant Avesh keep getting chances. He has no pace , no line and length and complete shite at death.he is even preferred over Arshdeep.

[Bigg Brother]

Umran at best is T20 material as of now and even very raw in that format...He will get his chances in future... Don't know what's the fuss here...

[singhvivek141]

We are not doing any A tours, all these tours of WI and Zim are the best way for Umran to learn, he may struggle, he may fail, or he may perform....but either way he will add a much needed pace dimension in our bowling attack.

 

 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

 

Read carefully.

Umran 14 game 22 wickets...  Average of 20.18 despite being so raw at any level.  There's no comparison what he is capable of in any universe compared to Avesh. 

[Chakdephatte]

Why some posters think it is India's responsibility to groom Umran?

 

It's always the players who serve the team, not the other way round. And India have too much talent to focus on any individual. If he is good enough, he will make it someday.