Will Bangladesh ever be good at cricket?

[NameGoesHere]

To answer OP- Not in the next decade at least. 

 

ARGUABLY they already had their best ever team in this WC.  But, as their aging superstars are set to get phased out, there seems to be no comparable talent in their pipeline. 
 

So if their best team did so badly, and there are no emerging star players, their future isn’t looking that good. 

Somewhere Virender Sehwag must be chuckling to himself. 
 

 

[the don]

Odi is their strongest format. They were doing well at home. Those pitches just dont prepare well enough for other challenges.

[MK55]

They need a total expurgation/cleansing of their team especially their batting. Guys like Shakib are way past it. 
In order to compete, your batting needs to have quality else just forget about cricket. 

[tapandrun]

They came close to wins in big tournaments against Ind, won previous OdI series, nearly won in Test.

 

They have been v.good in home conditions -winning against major team.

 

But they have been average against other team and outside their home conditions, may bee need to take a look into their domestic structure. Also they are unable to find replacements for their big 3/4 should have been a worrying signs. They have huge support and as other sub-continent nations Cricket is their major game and their are players  linning up to play.

 

So they have improved but in major tournaments against teams other than Ind they do not come up with the same motivation 

[sugumarrising]

Off all the teams from the associates Bangladesh is the poorest team, no ICC trophies, no Asian cup trophies nothing after 37 years in the international cricket 

[bsriharsha]

There is some talent there but not nearly enough. 

 

No performances to boast of as well

[coffee_rules]

They were better in 2015 and were threatening India. They still cry about the Rohit Sharma no dismissal 

[rollingstoned]

3 hours ago, tapandrun said:

They came close to wins in big tournaments against Ind, won previous OdI series, nearly won in Test.

 

They have been v.good in home conditions -winning against major team.

 

But they have been average against other team and outside their home conditions, may bee need to take a look into their domestic structure. Also they are unable to find replacements for their big 3/4 should have been a worrying signs. They have huge support and as other sub-continent nations Cricket is their major game and their are players  linning up to play.

 

So they have improved but in major tournaments against teams other than Ind they do not come up with the same motivation 

They have started competing away from home in tests now. No Asian team recently has come close to drawing a series in Nzl. 

If the theoretical linear improvement holds then it is not unreasonable to assume that the next gen of Bangla cricketers will be superior to this one just like the Tamim, Shakib, Mushfiq, Mashrafe gen was superior to the Aminul Islam, Akram Khan, Habibul Bashar, Mohd Rafique gen. 

[MediumPacer]

They do get motivated against india,many years back in the asia cup final of 2016, one of their tabloids published a pic of taskin beheading dhoni.

Edited October 29, 2023 by MediumPacer

[Mariyam]

Many years ago, me and some friends did a Euro trip after graduation. On the cheap. We were waiting for the funicular, and there was these two guys from Bangladesh waiting behind us. They were borderline creepy and kept trying to make small talk. Finally they got talking to us. Invariably they kept telling us how BD would be the next big thing in World Cricket. And how BD stars would out perform the Indians, Australians and the Pakistanis in the IPL and so on. 

I didn't have the heart to tell them that I can't name even 3 cricketers from BD. Across eras. Still can't. There is Shakib, Fizz and Shariful?

 

Fast Forward 13-14 years and they haven't won a single thing. Its one of those sides that are just there to make up the numbers. 

A game against BD doesn't evoke any feeling of rivalry whatsoever. Or any excitement.

[rangeelaraja]

21 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Many years ago, me and some friends did a Euro trip after graduation. On the cheap. We were waiting for the funicular, and there was these two guys from Bangladesh waiting behind us. They were borderline creepy and kept trying to make small talk. Finally they got talking to us. Invariably they kept telling us how BD would be the next big thing in World Cricket. And how BD stars would out perform the Indians, Australians and the Pakistanis in the IPL and so on. 

I didn't have the heart to tell them that I can't name even 3 cricketers from BD. Across eras. Still can't. There is Shakib, Fizz and Shariful?

 

Fast Forward 13-14 years and they haven't won a single thing. Its one of those sides that are just there to make up the numbers. 

A game against BD doesn't evoke any feeling of rivalry whatsoever. Or any excitement.

 

@Mariyam

 

You are not wrong in that BD  have a lot of attitude to show for very little in terms of performance - but sometimes countries do take very long to bloom - suddenly there is a splurt of 4-5 world class players in the same generation and some memorable victories are produced.

 

No other country is a worse under achiever than India and that includes Bangladesh.

 

Sri Lanka is less than 1/3rd of a single state of Tamil Nadu in terms of population and resources -similar socio economic development - and they ran us so close in the mid to late 90s. Even dominated us in ODIs - with Jayasuriya, Murali,Vaas,,,etc etc

 

NZ with the population less than Andheri to Bandra .....where cricket is probably the 3rd or 4th sport --has produced extraordinary results in cricket for their size.

 

Need not speak for Australia again where cricket us probably the 3rd sport.

 

For our sheer size & resources  ( financial and non-financial )....and considering the popularity of cricket in India.....our 3rd cricket team should be world beaters.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2023 by rangeelaraja

[Lone Wolf]

21 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

@Mariyam

 

You are not wrong in that BD  have a lot of attitude to show for very little in terms of performance - but sometimes countries do take very long to bloom - suddenly there is a splurt of 4-5 world class players in the same generation and some memorable victories are produced.

 

No other country is a worse under achiever than India and that includes Bangladesh.

 

Sri Lanka is less than 1/3rd of a single state of Tamil Nadu in terms of population and resources -similar socio economic development - and they ran us so close in the mid to late 90s. Even dominated us in ODIs - with Jayasuriya, Murali,Vaas,,,etc etc

 

NZ with the population less than Andheri to Bandra .....where cricket is probably the 3rd or 4th sport --has produced extraordinary results in cricket for their size.

 

Need not speak for Australia again where cricket us probably the 3rd sport.

 

For our sheer size & resources  ( financial and non-financial )....and considering the popularity of cricket in India.....our 3rd cricket team should be world beaters.

 

 

 

 

Success in sports is directly proportional to higher HDI. 

SL boasted highest HDI (it wasn't even close in the 90's & 00's) among south Asia. 

Hence when they started investing in Cricket heavily their foundations were stronger already & Talent pool was quality. 

 

HDI of NZ & Australia is nearly top of the shelf stuff....  Their higher standards of living & facilities naturally prepare world class athletes. 

[rangeelaraja]

35 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Success in sports is directly proportional to higher HDI. 

SL boasted highest HDI (it wasn't even close in the 90's & 00's) among south Asia. 

Hence when they started investing in Cricket heavily their foundations were stronger already & Talent pool was quality. 

 

HDI of NZ & Australia is nearly top of the shelf stuff....  Their higher standards of living & facilities naturally prepare world class athletes. 

 

That is only very partially correct.  

 

HDI matters little ...relative to having efficient organization of the sport and a culture of merit.

 

Canada has similar HDI to Australia....Australia's population is less than 70 % of Canada's ---yet it is Australia that is the sporting powerhouse

( because of a massive sporting culture ) 

 

The communist countries in the 70s-late 80s...dominated Olympics ( which is a hell lot more competitive than Cricket )  like nobody's business despite having a much lower HDI than the West ( because of exceptionally efficient national olympics organizations )

 

Argentina and Brazil vs. Europe in soccer is another example. Western Europe HDI is leagues ahead of Argentina or Brazil. 

 

SL also was in massive civil war while they had "higher" HDI.  

 

The higher SL HDI does not still compensate for the fact that India's size is roughly 50-60 times Lanka's in terms of population and resources.

Edited October 29, 2023 by rangeelaraja

[MediumPacer]

20 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Success in sports is directly proportional to higher HDI. 

SL boasted highest HDI (it wasn't even close in the 90's & 00's) among south Asia. 

Hence when they started investing in Cricket heavily their foundations were stronger already & Talent pool was quality. 

 

HDI of NZ & Australia is nearly top of the shelf stuff....  Their higher standards of living & facilities naturally prepare world class athletes. 

Hdi and athletic ability are important but we don't produce good coaches or umpires either,you can see that in football as well ,we are rife with poor referees and coaches.

We make too many mistakes.

 

 

[MediumPacer]

Just now, rangeelaraja said:

 

That is only very partially correct.  

 

HDI matters little ...relative to having efficient organization of the sport and a culture of merit.

 

Canada has similar HDI to Australia....Australia's population is less than 70 % of Canada's ---yet it is Australia that is the sporting powerhouse.

 

The communist countries in the 70s-late 80s...dominated Olympics ( which is a hell lot more competitive than Crickt )  like nobody's business despite having a much lower HDI than the West.

 

Argentina and Brazil vs. Europe in soccer is another example.

 

SL also was in massive civil war while they had "higher" HDI.  

 

The higher SL HDI does not still compensate for the fact that India's size is roughly 50-60 times Lanka's in terms of population and resources.

Cricket was mostly played in the metros ,that's just a few cities,the rest of the country hardly played ,even now that's generally the case.

 

You would be blind to think anyone can play in india if they have talent.

[rangeelaraja]

6 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

Cricket was mostly played in the metros ,that's just a few cities,the rest of the country hardly played ,even now that's generally the case.

 

You would be blind to think anyone can play in india if they have talent.

 

India has 3 million + registered cricketers...thats ALOT.

 

 

 

 

[MediumPacer]

10 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

The communist countries in the 70s-late 80s...dominated Olympics ( which is a hell lot more competitive than Cricket )  like nobody's business despite having a much lower HDI than the West ( because of exceptionally efficient national olympics organizations )

So where is that sporting culture today,why have they slipped.

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

@Mariyam

 

You are not wrong in that BD  have a lot of attitude to show for very little in terms of performance - but sometimes countries do take very long to bloom - suddenly there is a splurt of 4-5 world class players in the same generation and some memorable victories are produced.

 

No other country is a worse under achiever than India and that includes Bangladesh.

 

Sri Lanka is less than 1/3rd of a single state of Tamil Nadu in terms of population and resources -similar socio economic development - and they ran us so close in the mid to late 90s. Even dominated us in ODIs - with Jayasuriya, Murali,Vaas,,,etc etc

 

NZ with the population less than Andheri to Bandra .....where cricket is probably the 3rd or 4th sport --has produced extraordinary results in cricket for their size.

 

Need not speak for Australia again where cricket us probably the 3rd sport.

 

For our sheer size & resources  ( financial and non-financial )....and considering the popularity of cricket in India.....our 3rd cricket team should be world beaters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Population does not have a direct corelation to sporting prowess. This is a common misconception. Only 11 people play in either side. Imagine top 100 teams of cricket in the world or top 500 teams after about 20 or 30 it would all be Indian, thats all population does. 

[MediumPacer]

1 minute ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

India has 3 million + registered cricketers...thats ALOT.

 

 

 

 

Mostly amateurs and a handful of semi professionals like ranji.

 

also conditions play a big role ,we struggle to adjust when conditions are different.

[rangeelaraja]

6 minutes ago, Vilander said:

 

 

Population does not have a direct corelation to sporting prowess. This is a common misconception. Only 11 people play in either side. Imagine top 100 teams of cricket in the world or top 500 teams after about 20 or 30 it would all be Indian, thats all population does. 

 

 

Ofcourse it obviously does - a much larger talent pool to build your team. Probability of better talent emerging from a large talent pool. Simple law of large numbers.

 

Unless you are implying that we are relatively "untalented".

 

Ofcourse, how that talent is polished and cultivated to world class level is the next step.