Lone Wolf Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Looks like India is more or less in Russian sphere... US is as usual behind Pakistan. This is a throwback to early 2000's.. Geopolitical scenario US is trying extremely hard to de stabilize India with its pressure tactics. CIA is on over work mode. India has limited options... If only Chinese were cordial towards us we would have pushed back at them hard. Foreign policy is at its testing phase. Don't think we have handled Russia -Ukraine war scenario expertly... Pushback should have been anticipated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Looks like India is more or less in Russian sphere... US is as usual behind Pakistan. This is a throwback to early 2000's.. Geopolitical scenario US is trying extremely hard to de stabilize India with its pressure tactics. CIA is on over work mode. India has limited options... If only Chinese were cordial towards us we would have pushed back at them hard. Foreign policy is at its testing phase. Don't think we have handled Russia -Ukraine war scenario expertly... Pushback should have been anticipated. India isn’t supporting US against US rival Russia. Same way, US is not with India when it comes to rival Pakistan. As far as pushback is concerned a war of attrition is going on. Compared to 2014, when terrorist where killing locals, deep inside, now they are limited at border and forests. Soon , security forces will figure out solution to the challenge Edited December 27, 2023 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 22 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Looks like India is more or less in Russian sphere... US is as usual behind Pakistan. This is a throwback to early 2000's.. Geopolitical scenario US is trying extremely hard to de stabilize India with its pressure tactics. CIA is on over work mode. India has limited options... If only Chinese were cordial towards us we would have pushed back at them hard. Foreign policy is at its testing phase. Don't think we have handled Russia -Ukraine war scenario expertly... Pushback should have been anticipated. Things are not always what they seem. Its best in India's interest to remain non committal as always while engaging all sides. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/27/biden-endgame-ukraine-00133211 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Also FM visiting Russia and not PM. This is important to note. It shows India is more important for Russia. PM went to US to assert his weight. I think people are reading more into this visit than there is. India's position has not fundamentally changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 (edited) Dr Jaishankar seems to have given a clear message in Russia that US and Canada can not force us to choose using Khalistani terrorist. The BS from Canada or sending FBI and CIA directors, and refusing Republic day invitation by Biden in so called support of A terrorist Pannu should stop now. and better start treating us fairly. Only a fool will be hoodwinked when US/West Governments,analysts and spin doctors say thet they want more religious freedom and freedom of expression in India specially after the way democracy and freedom was brought by US and West in Iraq ,Lybia, Syria, Lebnon, Afghanistan, Ukraine Edited December 29, 2023 by mishra raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 1 hour ago, mishra said: Dr Jaishankar seems to have given a clear message in Russia that US and Canada can not force us to choose using Khalistani terrorist. The BS from Canada or sending FBI and CIA directors, and refusing Republic day invitation by Biden in so called support of A terrorist Pannu should stop now. and better start treating us fairly. Only a fool will be hoodwinked when US/West Governments,analysts and spin doctors say thet they want more religious freedom and freedom of expression in India specially after the way democracy and freedom was brought by US and West in Iraq ,Lybia, Syria, Lebnon, Afghanistan, Ukraine 'भय बिनु होय न प्रीत ' mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 3 hours ago, mishra said: Dr Jaishankar seems to have given a clear message in Russia that US and Canada can not force us to choose using Khalistani terrorist. The BS from Canada or sending FBI and CIA directors, and refusing Republic day invitation by Biden in so called support of A terrorist Pannu should stop now. and better start treating us fairly. Only a fool will be hoodwinked when US/West Governments,analysts and spin doctors say thet they want more religious freedom and freedom of expression in India specially after the way democracy and freedom was brought by US and West in Iraq ,Lybia, Syria, Lebnon, Afghanistan, Ukraine US doesn't plays by rules... It will apply every single dirty trick in the book to have what it wants. India is probably only country that has resisted for so long. 75 years and counting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 22 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Things are not always what they seem. Its best in India's interest to remain non committal as always while engaging all sides. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/27/biden-endgame-ukraine-00133211 Things surely seem lot more complex... I reckon things are pretty heated between US India rn... Distrust is at Indo China level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) Bharat is in it's own sphere. Also it is stupid to think that India can be in the "sphere" of a country like Russia whose economy is only 45 % of India's size. In 10 years, India's economy will be atleast 5X Russia's size. India made a massive mistake in the Soviet era of being ENTIRELY pro-Soviet - and not being friendly with the West ( we did not want to upset USSR) The result was we were a sanctioned economy that was also closed. Now we understand foreign policy, diplomacy much better - what we are doing is the best approach - be friendly with all - and extract mutual benefits from all. Keeping old friendships that have helped India in time of dire need and cultivate new friendships that are both value based & need based & transactional. If it wasn't was the erstwhile USSR/ Russia - Pakistan would have been on east borders as well along with China and our NE frontier would have been 100 times more vulnerable to being cut off by the force combine of China and Pakistan. Everybody knows it was USSR that prevented a global attack on India during the 1971 war. They tend to have long memories and stay faithful to their friendships through thick and thin. Edited December 30, 2023 by rangeelaraja ravishingravi, raki05 and mishra 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikhil_cric Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 If Modi/India really want to pivot away from the US/West , we really would have to strengthen bilateral relations with China and work with them in instituting a common BRICS currency and also start using increasing Chinese loans than typical loans from IMF/Western Sphere nations (Japan included) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 22 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: If Modi/India really want to pivot away from the US/West , we really would have to strengthen bilateral relations with China and work with them in instituting a common BRICS currency and also start using increasing Chinese loans than typical loans from IMF/Western Sphere nations (Japan included) Don't think India will pivot away from anything or anyone. It will remain non committal and aligned to it's interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikhil_cric Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 9 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Don't think India will pivot away from anything or anyone. It will remain non committal and aligned to it's interest. In a very limited way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 heres the truth from fearless grandma.how any indian can support can genocidal and murderous regime is beyond me-that truly is not Santana Dharma mishra and Lone Wolf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/4/2024 at 11:02 AM, cowboysfan said: heres the truth from fearless grandma.how any indian can support can genocidal and murderous regime is beyond me-that truly is not Santana Dharma You know one can post dime a dozen videos like these from the other side too. Doesnt help to get big picture of what has transpired and what is transpiring in Ukraine. mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannister Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 It's a no-brainer. Putin is expected to align with China for his own survival, and China depends on him to counter the US. They need eachother. India's scenario only seems plausible if it undergoes a shift toward autocracy, and the RSS seeks complete control over the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) On 12/29/2023 at 3:38 PM, Lone Wolf said: US doesn't plays by rules... It will apply every single dirty trick in the book to have what it wants. India is probably only country that has resisted for so long. 75 years and counting It has been prooved time and again that US is very good friend for short term for most apart from few non European Countries who it has stood by mostly. It can apply dirty tricks because in a Unipolar world, It can afford to do so. Infact it can do mistakes on geo politics and military level but still go unscathed. However, First mistake US made in recent past was under Barack Hussain Obama. He was a Shia Muslim and under him, Iran propped up while US ignored Saudis reservation, till they simply effed up their whole Middle East policy in name of Jamal Khashoggi killing. No matter what everyone says, It was under Trump that course correction was attempted Like killing Sulemani, Supporting India for article 370 abbrogation and asking EU to get away from Russian Energy dependency and increase NATO budget till Biden came and effed up everything so much so that we have two wars going on with pottential to 2 more (Red Sea and Guyana Venezuela) wars flaring up Edited January 5 by mishra Lone Wolf and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) On 12/29/2023 at 10:38 AM, Lone Wolf said: US doesn't plays by rules... It will apply every single dirty trick in the book to have what it wants. India is probably only country that has resisted for so long. 75 years and counting The recent spate of terrorist attacks in J&K (4 and counting) is believed to be with US blessing to pressure India fto distance itself from Russia. India should not fall To such pressure, give the US lapdog a beating even before elections. Aur khelo kirkut usse banjo. Edited January 5 by coffee_rules raki05 and Lone Wolf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: The recent spate of terrorist attacks in J&K (4 and counting) is believed to be with US blessing to pressure India from distancing itself from Russia. India should not fall To such pressure, give the US lapdog a beating even before elections. Aur khelo kirkut usse banjo. See, THis is again poor from US policy makers. Under Trump, It was abosolutely clear to US administration that Russia cant catch up to become number 1 but China is a threat to their number 1 ranking. If I was to guess what he was doing was propping up India economically, to take control of Kashmir, Building bridges between Russia at the same time asking EU to make NATO stronger. US was following a policy to encircle China in process, he was letting Russia and India do what is in best interest when it came to local border. Every other day, he was taking Pakistan to task just to Support India. What Biden did. Went on a war with Russia (ukraine) They came with a flawed policy that we cant put all our eggs in one basket, hence must support Pakistan. Now any stupid person can see the map of world and decipher that encircling China is via Russia (neutral), India (ambigously pro US) and allies like South Korea, Taiwan, Japan is far better option then asking Pakistanis to not help Chinese on CPEC and fighting Russia for Black Sea route. Edited January 5 by mishra coffee_rules and raki05 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 28 minutes ago, mishra said: See, THis is again poor from US policy makers. Under Trump, It was abosolutely clear to US administration that Russia cant catch up to become number 1 but China is a threat to their number 1 ranking. If I was to guess what he was doing was propping up India economically, to take control of Kashmir, Building bridges between Russia at the same time asking EU to make NATO stronger. US was following a policy to encircle China in process, he was letting Russia and India do what is in best interest when it came to local border. Every other day, he was taking Pakistan to task just to Support India. What Biden did. Went on a war with Russia (ukraine) They came with a flawed policy that we cant put all our eggs in one basket, hence must support Pakistan. Now any stupid person can see the map of world and decipher that encircling China is via Russia (neutral), India (ambigously pro US) and allies like South Korea, Taiwan, Japan is far better option then asking Pakistanis to not help Chinese on CPEC and fighting Russia for Black Sea route. On 1/4/2024 at 1:59 AM, Nikhil_cric said: If Modi/India really want to pivot away from the US/West , we really would have to strengthen bilateral relations with China and work with them in instituting a common BRICS currency and also start using increasing Chinese loans than typical loans from IMF/Western Sphere nations (Japan included) You cannot pivot away from West right now at least not yet... India is in a position of China in late 80's.. The Deng regime era. Now we do need to find some common ground with Chinese for sure. West never had good intentions for both China & India. We are their long term civilizational enemies for a reason. The day India has a blue water navy or even close to it will be the day US will make a move on India (assuming China is subdued by that time) raki05 and ravishingravi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 54 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: You cannot pivot away from West right now at least not yet... India is in a position of China in late 80's.. The Deng regime era. Now we do need to find some common ground with Chinese for sure. West never had good intentions for both China & India. We are their long term civilizational enemies for a reason. The day India has a blue water navy or even close to it will be the day US will make a move on India (assuming China is subdued by that time) Spot on. Defence spending and innovation especially the key. Lone Wolf and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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