India vs SA, 1st T20I (N), Thiruvananthapuram

[rollingstoned]

Just now, AuxiliA said:

 

One is not like the other.. 

yea well i was being sarcastic in case it wasn't clear. neither this one nor the previous match against Australia were soft runs.

[Swag]

3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

But one is a National treasure and one is a National curse as per ICF. 

it was sarcastic, both deserve what they get!

[Lord]

8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Sky edged a six second ball , he could have been out there. One of Bavuma and Rabada also dropped him. Luck plays a bg part in T20s

 

SKY edged a six. Intent was there.

 

Rahul could have got out anytime. Could easily have been 15 off 35 and that'd been bad

[coffee_rules]

14 minutes ago, The Realist said:

For Rahul a not out & 50 trumps team goals.

 

Padding Those Stats 

Not his fault, he was trying to get out from ball 1

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, Swag said:

it was sarcastic, both deserve what they get!

But not sure if @rollingstoned meant it to be sarcastic 

[Swag]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

But not sure if @rollingstoned meant it to be sarcastic 

"yea well i was being sarcastic in case it wasn't clear. neither this one nor the previous match against Australia were soft runs."

few posts up

[coffee_rules]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

SKY edged a six. Intent was there.

 

Rahul could have got out anytime. Could easily have been 15 off 35 and that'd been bad

Yeah all SA top order got out showing intent. If it comes through it is called intent, if it doesn’t it is called bad shot selection or temperament. You gotta have luck on cricket 

[zen]

6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Yeah all SA top order got out showing intent. If it comes through it is called intent, if it doesn’t it is called bad shot selection or temperament. You gotta have luck on cricket 

 

SA's batsmen got out trying to play normal T20 cricket on a limited scope pitch/conditions. Ind batted with the knowledge about the pitch. 

 

SA was also playing its first game after landing in India, whereas Ind is playing its 4th consecutive T20 in India (add Asia Cup in similar conditions) 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2022 by zen

[Suhaan]

25 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

SKY edged a six. Intent was there.

 

Rahul could have got out anytime. Could easily have been 15 off 35 and that'd been bad

Rahul nwas guiding around off,reeks of so much pesissism

Edited September 28, 2022 by Suhaan

[Lord]

17 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Yeah all SA top order got out showing intent. If it comes through it is called intent, if it doesn’t it is called bad shot selection or temperament. You gotta have luck on cricket 

 

In T20 you gotta be positive. Luck is needed but you do what you can control.

 

Without SKY's knock this would have been close even if Rahul batted throughout the innings. You'd lose mostly with that approach anyways

[nitinbwj]

This was am excellent knock from SKY. Pressure was immense as he had seen what KL, Lolhi and Rohit were doing. He played sensible cricket, got big shots against pace and spin and also rotated strike. He would have chased down 140 if he had to. 

[nitinbwj]

All the 50 plus scores for SKY have come at 150+ SR. He just needs to play his natural game in WC. 

[coffee_rules]

14 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

This was am excellent knock from SKY. Pressure was immense as he had seen what KL, Lolhi and Rohit were doing. He played sensible cricket, got big shots against pace and spin and also rotated strike. He would have chased down 140 if he had to. 

Agreed we don’t need three anchors in top3 but unlike wt20 2021 , at least two are not trying to be too timid. If we lose two wickets in PP one has to bottle up and MO has to play risky. No use abusing top3 all the time 

[coffee_rules]

31 minutes ago, zen said:

 

SA's batsmen got out trying to play normal T20 cricket on a limited scope pitch/conditions. Ind batted with the knowledge about the pitch. 

 

SA was also playing its first game after landing in India, whereas Ind is playing its 4th consecutive T20 in India (add Asia Cup in similar conditions) 

 

 

Yeah, but India was trying to win to avoid 10/4 situations . If two of top 3 fails the other has to play anchor like Kohli did in the first Asia cup match against Pak when even Sky failed. Batting high risk like Sky gives India results in bilats and non-KO matches , but we don’t want all to bat like him to fight for an award of a National Treasure 

[zen]

9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Yeah, but India was trying to win to avoid 10/4 situations . If two of top 3 fails the other has to play anchor like Kohli did in the first Asia cup match against Pak when even Sky failed. Batting high risk like Sky gives India results in bilats and non-KO matches , but we don’t want all to bat like him to fight for an award of a National Treasure 

 

First of all, there is nothing about top 3 having to stay (time to get those concepts out of the head). Additionally, bilaterals are about pushing yourself (and providing enough challenging situations for your team esp. before a key tournament so even being 10/4 is not really an issue).  KL could have been out on multiple occasions. He was simply struggling to get moving (could score a few as the bowling attack was being softened by the other batsman).  Even to support other batsmen, you still need to play at a certain rate (despite getting a few shots in, KL's SR < 100)

Edited September 28, 2022 by zen

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

 

First of all, there is nothing about top 3 having to stay (so get that out of your head). Additionally, bilaterals are about pushing yourself (and providing enough challenging situations for your team esp. before a key tournament so even being 10/4 is not really an issue).  KL could have been out on multiple occasions. He was struggling to get moving. 

Most wins in white ball cricket comes from one of the top staying. It is tough for MO to start from scratch. SA after losing 3 wickets in pp should’ve played percentage cricket. Get to 140 and fight it. 106 like the game against NZ in 2021 WT20 when India made 110-odd doesn’t make sense , even in T20. We don’t have stalwarts in MO. Even Panda gets it right only 30% of the time batting in MO. He plays way too many dot-balls even in 17-20 overs. 

[zen]

25 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Most wins in white ball cricket comes from one of the top staying. It is tough for MO to start from scratch. SA after losing 3 wickets in pp should’ve played percentage cricket. Get to 140 and fight it. 106 like the game against NZ in 2021 WT20 when India made 110-odd doesn’t make sense , even in T20. We don’t have stalwarts in MO. Even Panda gets it right only 30% of the time batting in MO. He plays way too many dot-balls even in 17-20 overs. 

 

You need to educate yourself more. There is nothing like one of the top 3 (your reference to batting positions) having to play till the end ... A team would depend on the top 3-4 in form batsmen, who would be batting anywhere in the 6-7 batting positions in an 11 (i.e. top 3-4 batsmen are not to be confused with top 3 batting positions) much like it would depend upon its top 3-4 bowlers whether they bowl pace or spin (i.e. top/inform batsmen and bowlers irrespective of the position they bat or bowl at)... Ind could chase because one of its top T20 player, SKY took the attack to the opponents (nothing to do with KL, who helped himself to a few runs. If he had got out, Ind has batting). 

 

PS if you still don't get it. In this game, Bhumva batted at #2. While his batting position is top order (#1-3), he is NOT SA's top 3 T20 batsmen. 

Edited September 28, 2022 by zen

[Norman]

13 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Most wins in white ball cricket comes from one of the top staying. It is tough for MO to start from scratch. SA after losing 3 wickets in pp should’ve played percentage cricket. Get to 140 and fight it. 106 like the game against NZ in 2021 WT20 when India made 110-odd doesn’t make sense , even in T20. We don’t have stalwarts in MO. Even Panda gets it right only 30% of the time batting in MO. He plays way too many dot-balls even in 17-20 overs. 

 

Sorry to be blunt  but this is hands down One of the dumbest post I've ever read on a sports forum. Defies common sense, logic and reasoning. 

[Norman]

This was a useless bilateral game where as a team your first priority is to either figure out or make a habit of executing a strategy that could win you bigger games and tournaments in the long run... 

 

Being 11 off 26 balls and ending up with 51 off 56 balls just to "stay till the end" and "ensuring your team a win" in games like these (that too when chasing 106) is as useful as a popped balloon for you and your side. Its good that most Indian fans have started realizing this "anchoring" jumla. 

Edited September 28, 2022 by Norman

[coffee_rules]

8 minutes ago, Norman said:

 

Sorry to be blunt  but this is hands down One of the dumbest post I've ever read on a sports forum. Defies common sense, logic and reasoning. 

Yes that makes a very good argument. I am stumped by your logic and reasoning. Can you discuss without getting personal?

Edited September 28, 2022 by coffee_rules