Who will win WT20 2022 (Points Table)

[Nash]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't think so, Indian fast bowling attack has been better than expected. Bhuvi and co have been more than decent. I have to give it to young Arshdeep he has been swinging ball both ways. The only thing which Pakistan has better is their leg spinner who is a dynamite player. When combined with batting Indian is on par with any other team.

 

Why do you think that freak innings cannot be played an Indian batsmen. Why so much negatitivity.

If there is no swing then Bhuvi is liability. Our team can counter it well with Rohit when there is no swing. 

Arshdeep can still survive without swing, he has good yorker.  The problem with Bhuvi is he is not attacking the stump enough. And he is doing that because he is afraid of leaking runs. 

Shami is ok but he is being expensive usually in T20. 

Austrilian pitches required two set of balls. One who can swing, which is covered in our team. But when there is no movement then we lack a good hitting the deck hard type of bowler. These bowler generates bonce and upward movement. Shami is doing it but he is not the best one we have. Our best best is getting ready for IPL. Aka Bumrah.

 

Our spinners are no show. I dont see why cnt' we play hooda inplace of axar. He is good bat and way better than Axar. 

 

About freak innins of india, we need someone fearless like Surya. KL is deer caught in light. Rohit is slow until he plays 25 balls . Then he becomes an explosive batsman. The problem with australian pitches  are , there can be wicket on any ball. So playing 25 balls is not an easy task for batsman. you should keep hitting like Liton das and hope you survive for 20 balls. You can score 40 odd runs.

 

I am not being negative. but i am trying to be as realistic as possible. Our hope is we perform good in two matches. I firmly belive that we can do it. Even KL can hit 50ball centure and he is due. Same with Rohit. he is due big one. Hope both shines in next two match. 

[putrevus]

42 minutes ago, Nash said:

If there is no swing then Bhuvi is liability. Our team can counter it well with Rohit when there is no swing. 

Arshdeep can still survive without swing, he has good yorker.  The problem with Bhuvi is he is not attacking the stump enough. And he is doing that because he is afraid of leaking runs. 

Shami is ok but he is being expensive usually in T20. 

Austrilian pitches required two set of balls. One who can swing, which is covered in our team. But when there is no movement then we lack a good hitting the deck hard type of bowler. These bowler generates bonce and upward movement. Shami is doing it but he is not the best one we have. Our best best is getting ready for IPL. Aka Bumrah.

 

Our spinners are no show. I dont see why cnt' we play hooda inplace of axar. He is good bat and way better than Axar. 

 

About freak innins of india, we need someone fearless like Surya. KL is deer caught in light. Rohit is slow until he plays 25 balls . Then he becomes an explosive batsman. The problem with australian pitches  are , there can be wicket on any ball. So playing 25 balls is not an easy task for batsman. you should keep hitting like Liton das and hope you survive for 20 balls. You can score 40 odd runs.

 

I am not being negative. but i am trying to be as realistic as possible. Our hope is we perform good in two matches. I firmly belive that we can do it. Even KL can hit 50ball centure and he is due. Same with Rohit. he is due big one. Hope both shines in next two match. 

I understand your concern, England also don't have many hit the deck bowlers.If England fire on all cylinders then there is nothing much any team can do.

[Nikhil_cric]

14 hours ago, the don said:

Teams go all out in the worldcups and pak have managed to show up over the years. 
 

india and eng usually ho out in the group stage.

Showing up over the years? You need to win matches that actually matter to be considered as tournament team. 

 

Apart from 2009 and last year, even your group stage performances were hardly better than average.  2010, 2012 and 2022 qualifications were all based on a bit of luck  and NRR advantage. 

 

You make it sound like Pakistan have dominated T20 world cups  throughout. 

[Need4Speed]

Lets not forget Pak is in semis only due to Holland…

Thiugh I find balance of Pak extremely good as compared to India  however..I feel Haris Rauf has caused momentum shifts in middle overs..struggling against spin is nothing unusual..but Harus Rauf helps Pak spinners do well..

overcautious in first couple of overs is nothing unusual too..but they shudnt miss any hit me ball in the name of being cautious..

In case of India if we handle Rauf’s Middle overs well..you can put lot of pressure on Pak bowling..

 

This also means that SKY hasnt exploded yet against Pak..but he is due a big game changing knock against them provided we bear Eng and Pak beats NZ.

 

Similarly,against Eng we need to handle Mark Wood who is causing all the diff..good thing is the match is not on bouncy wkts like Perth and Melbourne..

Edited November 8, 2022 by Need4Speed

[SM2907]

All betting sites have put Pakistan as favourates to win the WT20

[vayuu1]

Apni m@@ c hu. Jo bhi jeetey 

[Vijy]

Pak will win - good tourney for them. luck helped them a bit, but they made their own luck to an extent

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, Vijy said:

Pak will win - good tourney for them. luck helped them a bit, but they made their own luck to an extent

 

Their real luck was all the important matches happened on less pacy pitches except MCG India match. They were up against Zimbabwe at Perth. Lost it. They played at Adelaide oval, SCG (twice). It played a big part. India ran into England on a possibly worst pitch for Indian bowling line up. Litton Das already showed that.

[Frustrated]

Both Pak and Eng are going to be joint winners.  Looking at the rain scenario.  

[Number]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

Their real luck was all the important matches happened on less pacy pitches except MCG India match. They were up against Zimbabwe at Perth. Lost it. They played at Adelaide oval, SCG (twice). It played a big part. India ran into England on a possibly worst pitch for Indian bowling line up. Litton Das already showed that.

 

Afghanistan Australia match too showed that.

Adelaide is sluggish batting first but gets better under light. Australia could only score 169 against Afghanistan and Afghanistan fell short by only 4 runs.

 

[sage]

On 11/10/2022 at 3:03 AM, SM2907 said:

All betting sites have put Pakistan as favourates to win the WT20

No longer the case.

[coffee_rules]

Who cares, this sunday at 3 am, I will  

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Who cares, this sunday at 3 am, I will  

when you come back, icf will be overrun with trolls thanks to pak victory in 2022. as the Eng footer fans say, it's coming home (albeit to pak)

[coffee_rules]

18 minutes ago, Vijy said:

when you come back, icf will be overrun with trolls thanks to pak victory in 2022. as the Eng footer fans say, it's coming home (albeit to pak)

Shubh shubh bol , saale (pardon my French)

[Vijy]

12 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Shubh shubh bol , saale (pardon my French)

it will get ugly., mods will be busy, I think

[Pakistan]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

when you come back, icf will be overrun with trolls thanks to pak victory in 2022. as the Eng footer fans say, it's coming home (albeit to pak)

It is free ticket to World Cup title for Pakistan. They were never meant to be in it. It was meant to be coronation of India as Champions of the World.

[coffee_rules]

7 minutes ago, Pakistan said:

It is free ticket to World Cup title for Pakistan. They were never meant to be in it. It was meant to be coronation of India as Champions of the World.

Lottery mein koi champion nahi hota mere bhai!

[Vijy]

57 minutes ago, Pakistan said:

It is free ticket to World Cup title for Pakistan. They were never meant to be in it. It was meant to be coronation of India as Champions of the World.

I am not counting you as a troll, but it is undeniable that many such people have manifested on the forum.

 

congrats on winning the title. you had a spicy pace attack, and I enjoyed seeing them bowl. Ind chose a bad team, played badly, and its lack of talent got shown up

[Sharjah-Harjah]

As a keen Pakistani fan of Indian cricket for past 20 years, I want to share 3 unbiased observations:

 

1) Too much focus on batting in India. On any ground, any pitch, 168 is a good target. It’s not a bad target. But to defend it, India needed to take wickets! 

But if there is no swing on offer, what else did this bowling attack have to take wickets? 
There was no extra pace to deceive the batsman with change of pace. There was no extra bounce /exceptionally tall bowler. There was no reverse swing. There were no deceptive slower bumpers. 

There was no mystery spinner or leg spinner. India played 2 defensive spin options. They played 2 finger-spinners IN AUS to contain and because of their “batting ability” and went out of their way to avoid ATTACKING options like Bishnoi, Kuldeep, and Chahal, all of whom could have been a handful here. 
 

No matter what Indian pundits and posters say, PACE DOES MATTER. Anyone whose held a bat in their life will agree with this. There is a reason Pak bowling does well and that’s pace. India should have brought Umran Malik or someone like him. The obsession with batting and step fatherly treatment toward bowling is not gonna help India win big.
 

2. Obsession with orthodoxy/conventional thinking:

Where are the young gun batsmen? Where is the innovation?

India plays conventional top 3. In case of Pak, it’s the best Pak got.
But why haven’t Ishan Kishan, Pant, Samson, Shaw been allowed to cut loose in T20 cricket yet? 
There seems to be an obsession with “experience” and this is why Ashwin, Shami, KL Rahul and many others are preferred over T20 specialists. 
 

3. Love and Hate relationship with T20 cricket aka T20 is a “lottery” format. I keep reading on this forum T20 is a lottery format. It’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever read. If it’s a lottery, then why are 4 of the top 5 ICC ranked teams in the semis? Why didn’t random teams make the semis? Yes margins are small, but better teams do win more consistently. 
There is over elevation of Test cricket and obsession for “all

format players” like Ashwin, Shami seem to be preferred because they are Test class. But just because you do well in test cricket, it doesn’t mean you’re the best, it just means you do well in test cricket.
India should respect all formats equally and elevate the best talent for the specific format. 
 

in conclusion, most of these issues are prevalent in Pakistan, but less so. Case in point is Mohammad Haris. The batsman from reserves thrown in the deep with no domestic or international experience. Haris hasn’t even played a complete first class season. He went straight from reserves as backup keeper to plying 11. Would india make such audacious choices or plan/play it safe? 

Edited November 12, 2022 by Sharjah-Harjah

[coffee_rules]

11 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

As a keen Pakistani fan of Indian cricket for past 20 years, I want to share 3 unbiased observations:

 

1) Too much focus on batting in India. On any ground, any pitch, 168 is a good target. It’s not a bad target. But to defend it, India needed to take wickets! 

But if there is no swing on offer, what else did this bowling attack have to take wickets? 
There was no extra pace to deceive the batsman with change of pace. There was no extra bounce /exceptionally tall bowler. There was no reverse swing. There were no deceptive slower bumpers. 

There was no mystery spinner or leg spinner. India played 2 defensive spin options. They played 2 finger-spinners IN AUS to contain and because of their “batting ability” and went out of their way to avoid ATTACKING options like Bishnoi, Kuldeep, and Chahal, all of whom could have been a handful here. 
 

No matter what Indian pundits and posters say, PACE DOES MATTER. Anyone whose held a bat in their life will agree with this. There is a reason Pak bowling does well and that’s pace. India should have brought Umran Malik or someone like him. The obsession with batting and step fatherly treatment toward bowling is not gonna help India win big.
 

2. Obsession with orthodoxy/conventional thinking:

Where are the young gun batsmen? Where is the innovation?

India plays conventional top 3. In case of Pak, it’s the best Pak got.
But why haven’t Ishan Kishan, Pant, Samson, Shaw been allowed to cut loose in T20 cricket yet? 
There seems to be an obsession with “experience” and this is why Ashwin, Shami, KL Rahul and many others are preferred over T20 specialists. 
 

3. Love and Hate relationship with T20 cricket aka T20 is a “lottery” format. I keep reading on this forum T20 is a lottery format. It’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever read. If it’s a lottery, then why are 4 of the top 5 ICC ranked teams in the semis? Why didn’t random teams make the semis? Yes margins are small, but better teams do win more consistently. 
There is over elevation of Test cricket and obsession for “all

format players” like Ashwin, Shami seem to be preferred because they are Test class. But just because you do well in test cricket, it doesn’t mean you’re the best, it just means you do well in test cricket.
India should respect all formats equally and elevate the best talent for the specific format. 
 

in conclusion, most of these issues are prevalent in Pakistan, but less so. Case in point is Mohammad Haris. The batsman from reserves thrown in the deep with no domestic or international experience. Haris hasn’t even played a complete first class season. He went straight from reserves as backup keeper to plying 11. Would india make such audacious choices or plan/play it safe? 

very good constructive criticism. Batting first and even 185 was not enough for Pakistan last year SF against Aus, with it’s famed pace bowlers and it looks like you guys were down to exit and wouldn’t have realized your potential, got an opportunity to get back with some fixes like 6 bowling option and backing some good MO batsmen. Very good all-rounder team ticking all checkboxes- pace, spin etc. India team selection needed conditions to win