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"Tigers", the key ingredient to winning world cups

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:


2016: Great last over against BD which we won by 1 run, got thrashed in final. First wc

2017: Final useless 50 when top3 failed

2019: SF stitched a partnership with Pant and Dhoni to stay afloat 

2021: batting failure, no bowling, nursing a bad back

2022: Partnered with Kohli, got 3 wickets, but failed in most matches, except SF when openers and sky failed , late surge was not enough, bad bowling

 

If this is the standard to call somebody a winning tiger, it is very easy to please bhakts

That 2019 sf was golden chance for a real tiger. Low target, extra batting partner with jaddu in. Yuvi/stokes would have pounced on it

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7 minutes ago, Serpico said:

That 2019 sf was golden chance for a real tiger. Low target, extra batting partner with jaddu in. Yuvi/stokes would have pounced on it


Like Yuvi did in 2014? 

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16 minutes ago, Serpico said:

That 2019 sf was golden chance for a real tiger. Low target, extra batting partner with jaddu in. Yuvi/stokes would have pounced on it

Agree, Yuvi has done in 2007/11 many matches. Even Raina, Dhoni are real tigers unlike paper ones we are celebrating. By 2014 Yuvi was done by. 

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32 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

No. Like how yuvi did in 2011 WC QF against Australia


The point is that no one has a perfect record (there are 2003 and 2007 ODI WCs too, along with 2009, 2010, 2012, & 2014 T20 WCs). One cannot be cherry picking.
 

By 2011, Yuvi had played 11-12 years of international cricket. Even in 2007 T20, he had played 7-8 years of international cricket. 
 

Yuvi’s team was different too. It had Dhoni, Gambhir, etc. If you want to talk about 2011 QF, the game had batting performances from Sachin, GG, & Raina too. At the moment, there is usually this one guy who stands up, along with maybe some other random contributor of the day if lucky. 

 

What is being discussed here is that India needs more such players (not just one), therefore the need for selectors to identify such players. 

 

The focus is on the current players esp. who are yet to peak or just entering their peak. 

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Btw, since some folks are mentioning Yuvi, who debuted in 2000, below is his performance in KO WC games: 

 

  • 2003 ODI SF v Kenya: No
  • 2003 ODI F v Aus: No 
  • 2007 T20 SF v Aus: Yes 
  • 2007 T20 F v Pak: No 
  • 2011 ODI QF v Aus: Yes 
  • 2011 ODI SF v Pak: No 
  • 2011 ODI F v SL: -  
  • 2014 T20 SF v SA: No
  • 2014 T20 F v SL: No 

 

If this is supposed to be India's "benchmark" in World Cup KOs - that is like 2 performances (that too against only 1 team - Aus) in 8 opportunities, considering the final v SL where he remained not out scoring a 20 odd when Ind was in control as a draw for him ... Ind failed to reach KOs in 2007 ODIs, 2009 T20s, 2010 T20s, & 2012 T20s. 

 

 

I think players like Sir Don should seek to set a new benchmark, and he is already on his way: 

 

  • 2019 ODI SF v NZ: Yes (helped Ind to avoid a further collapse by stitching p'ships) 
  • 2022 T20 SF v ENG: Yes (60 odd runs)

 

That already equals Yuvi's (and in just 2 appearances and against 2 different teams)! 

 

 

 

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