Kuldeep Vs. Axar for third spinner

[Chakdephatte]

We know if Jadeja is declared fit, only one of these two should play. Who should be that one? Both are doing better than our primary spinners currently. No emotional reasons, just practical. 

Edited January 22, 2023 by Chakdephatte

[Chakdephatte]

In last three home tests-

 

Axar- 12 wickets @16.58

Kuldeep- 12 wickets @24.16

[Chakdephatte]

Ash-Jaddu haven't fared well against Steve Smith. Axar, I guess has the best chance to tackle him. Rest of their batting is nothing to worry about. I would like to retain both. 

Edited January 22, 2023 by Chakdephatte

[R!TTER]

Jadeja has, not Ashwin though & Jadeja's bowling is not what it used to be 6-7 years back! If Jadeja is fit he should play just as a specialist batter, he is that good, overall it will depend on the pitches. Again I'll say on flat pitches Kuldeep should come in, if it's a big turner ideally we need to load our batting till 9-10 & there Axar will be better.

[Kerberos]

Jadeja in -----> no Axar.

Axar in -----> no Jadeja.

 

[helperononline]

Cannot play two left arm spinners better to go for Kuldeep 

[Lord]

Kuldeep. Axar is heavily dependent on turners

 

Kuldeep can be effective even on relatively flatter tracks

[Lord]

2 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

Ash-Jaddu haven't fared well against Steve Smith. Axar, I guess has the best chance to tackle him. Rest of their batting is nothing to worry about. I would like to retain both. 

 

Ashwin owned him in 20-21 tour. Jaddu has done well v him too.

 

He's scored some runs here and there but generally not at his usual level.

 

 

[test fan]

On Turner- jaddu, ash, axar 

On flat track- jaddu ,ash , kuldeep

[vvvslaxman]

jadeja and Axar both similar bowlers. Remember India had Ashwin/Axar/Jadeja when NZ's last pair  saw off 10 overs to draw. India needed a variety there.  Axar was economical. But not penetrative in the 2nd dig. You need Kuldeep.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/new-zealand-in-india-2021-22-1278658/india-vs-new-zealand-1st-test-1278674/full-scorecard

 

 

Edited January 22, 2023 by vvvslaxman

[SRT100]

I would bat Ashwin at 4 instead of Kohli and play all of them.

 

Im fairly certain Ashwin has a better record than Kohli at Test cricket over the last 12 or so months.

[Number]

Kuldeep plays every match.

Prefer Jaddu over Axar as our batting has so many holes.

[speedracer]

2 hours ago, sarchasm said:

Rate Axar as a better test bowler than Jaddu on Indian surfaces but the latter simply offers more as a package. Axar has a lethal arm ball and his variations of pace and lengths is more potent on account of his height. This is what is called natural variations.

 

No reason why we cannot have two SLAs operate in tandem but it is not likely TM will follow through with this line of thought. Ashwin has started to flag as a test bowler but he's nevertheless assured of a spot.

 

Kuldeep is a talent but I am always wary of how he loses heart and the plot when put under the pump. OTOH, he's definitely bowling the best he ever has these days. The ball is coming out beautifully.

 

For once, I am not going to accuse the TM of incompetence and being clueless when it comes to picking three out of 4 strong options. This is not as easy a choice as it would seem on the face of it.

Yea I repsect ash. He is an Indian atg. His record is great. He is ageing but how do we bench him. It won't be fair. I guess he deserves a send off series. It sucks but hopefully the old dog can pull another one in bgt. 

 

Kully is a great talent but yes he can sulk under pressure. Jaddu is class. Axar deserves a chance I think we will go with;

 

Perhaps jaddu at 6

Sundar at 7

Axar at 8

Ash at 9

Siraj at 10 undacutta rotate

Shami/umesh rotate at 12

 

Can't see kully starting. If jaddu comes back he may slot right in at 7 or even 5. Maybe we will go with 6 bowling options. 

[speedracer]

19 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

jadeja and Axar both similar bowlers. Remember India had Ashwin/Axar/Jadeja when NZ's last pair  saw off 10 overs to draw. India needed a variety there.  Axar was economical. But not penetrative in the 2nd dig. You need Kuldeep.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/new-zealand-in-india-2021-22-1278658/india-vs-new-zealand-1st-test-1278674/full-scorecard

 

 

Kuldeep would have ran through tail. Funnily enough people think pace can remove tail with ease. Actually wrisites can obliterate tail. Even our tail India struggle badly vs spin. Umesh etc and even ash all struggle vs wrist spin.

[Moochad]

Kuldeep, he can bat a bit and can be a matchwinner. Axar is good to, but he and Jadeja are redundant 

[Need4Speed]

jaddu and Axar are similar,,better to go with Kuldeep..

infact Iwe are not sure yet if Jadeja is in rythm...

we are risking finals spot..by playing untested player after long layoff\rehab..Axar and Kuldeep both needs to be there..

 

is Jadeja playing any Ranji math before it?

[Nikhil_cric]

Axar. He bowls quick(90 kph) and accurate and with the odd natural variation. That's what you need in Indian conditions. 

 

Kuldeep is a bit overrated as a Test bowler. 

[SRT100]

To be honest, Jaddu should be cautiously undergo his rehab and return from injury.

 

I would play Axar in the 1st Test to give Jaddu more time to get his fitness back and also noting its a 4 test series. Jaddu can be a lethal weapon over a long tour.

[speedracer]

4 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

jaddu and Axar are similar,,better to go with Kuldeep..

infact Iwe are not sure yet if Jadeja is in rythm...

we are risking finals spot..by playing untested player after long layoff\rehab..Axar and Kuldeep both needs to be there..

 

is Jadeja playing any Ranji math before it?

He is I believe. 

[speedracer]

3 hours ago, SRT100 said:

To be honest, Jaddu should be cautiously undergo his rehab and return from injury.

 

I would play Axar in the 1st Test to give Jaddu more time to get his fitness back and also noting its a 4 test series. Jaddu can be a lethal weapon over a long tour.

Jaddu is playing ranji so yes he will take his time.