The Ashes 2023

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Ricky's highest average was close to 60, (59.99 to be exact) at the time of Ashes 2006 Adelaide test. Post that series and after the CWC 2007 he started declining considerably.

But Ponting had odd knock here and there to justify his place.What happened to Kohli is not new, it happens to every batsman but his decline has been dramatic with three years of no show at an age when he was supposed to be in his prime years.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by putrevus

[Stan AF]

8 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Lyon used to snare up Moeen lie anything. lets see what he does now.

Noice

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Not true. India has played 4  seamers without Thakur. Thakur's batting is a bonus. Not a traditional all rounder. If Thakur wer not available they would have gone with some other fast bowler even at the cost of lack of batting

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-england-2021-2022-1239527/england-vs-india-2nd-test-1239544/full-scorecard

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-england-2021-2022-1239527/england-vs-india-3rd-test-1239545/full-scorecard

 

you still dont understand. Thakur not playing as a 4th seamer does not prove anything. My point was he is not a third seamer and will not play as a third seamer. if at all he plays, he will play as a 4th seamer.  otherwise, he wont play unless most of the other bowlers are injured.

[Bigg Brother]

Lyon has taken 4th 

[vvvslaxman]

Lyon 4 wickets. Every attacking shot against Lyon was fraught with risk. They got some success. Lyon in return also got some success. Lyon has dismissed Moeen 10 times now. 

[goose]

Eng side is ridiculously well balanced

[Stan AF]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

But he had odd knock here and there to justify his place.What happened to Kohli is not new, it happens to every batsman but his decline has been dramatic with three years of no show at an age when he was supposed to be in his prime years.

 

 

 

 

No..

 

Kohli's downfall is the most dramatic i have seen of any supposed to be top level batsman. Past or present. His only good period came from maybe 2014 aussie tour to 2019 sa/bangladesh tour in india.

That's it. And I am being generous here.

Edited June 16, 2023 by Stan AF

[Bigg Brother]

Australia has now full 2 days to bat.. I don't think England bowling can restrict Aussies here.

[Stan AF]

Guys like Tendulkar had a great period from his debut in 1989 till like 2002/03. Then he had his lull period of 2004 to 2006. Again after CWC 2007 to CWC 2011 he was back to making 100s. Post 2011 to his retirement he was bad.

 

Kohli is nothing like this.

[zen]

Lyon what a champ! 4 wkts already on day 1! 
 

Ind spinners would celebrate to get that much in 2 tests, let alone in a test

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

But he had odd knock here and there to justify his place.What happened to Kohli is not new, it happens to every batsman but his decline has been dramatic with three years of no show at an age when he was supposed to be in his prime years.

 

 

 

 

Dravid's highest average was also around 58-59 around 2007, IIRC. after that, he averaged 42 odd for 4-5 years.  Kohli never peaked enough. but then we have had more spin friendly pitches than ever in india in last 8-10 years. Kohli's current Average of 48 is as good as 52-53 average of SRT and Dravid because they played a lot in the flat batting friendly era of 2000s.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Stan AF said:

No..

 

Kohli's downfall is the most dramatic i have seen of any supposed to be top level batsman. Past or present. His only good period came from maybe 2014 aussie tour to 2019 sa/bangladesh tour in india.

That's it. And I am being generous here.

Yes it has been most dramatic fall of any top batsman. Where did say anything different?

 

Every batsman has golden period Ponting was also 5 year from 2002 to 2007.

 

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

No..

 

Kohli's downfall is the most dramatic i have seen of any supposed to be top level batsman. Past or present. His only good period came from maybe 2014 aussie tour to 2019 sa/bangladesh tour in india.

That's it. And I am being generous here.

both Ponting and dravid also had 5-6 years of good peak era like Kohli and that too when they batted in more batting gn friendly era of 2000s and no DRS.

[Bigg Brother]

What a shot by Root. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

you still dont understand. Thakur not playing as a 4th seamer does not prove anything. My point was he is not a third seamer and will not play as a third seamer. if at all he plays, he will play as a 4th seamer.  otherwise, he wont play unless most of the other bowlers are injured.

 

It doesn't change the fact Ashwin can replace both bowlers. 

 

[vvvslaxman]

What a shot. Root is ridicuous wow.

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Lyon what a champ! 4 wkts already on day 1! 
 

Ind spinners would celebrate to get that much in 2 tests, let alone in a test

this is a completely different day one pitch. looks more like a dry Wankhede pitch than an English pitch. 

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Dravid's highest average was also around 58-59 around 2007, IIRC. after that, he averaged 42 odd for 4-5 years.  Kohli never peaked enough. but then we have had more spin friendly pitches than ever in india in last 8-10 years. Kohli's current Average of 48 is as good as 52-53 average of SRT and Dravid because they played a lot in the flat batting friendly era of 2000s.

See Kohli peak should have lasted longer  but Indian have played on most bowler friendly wickets.But he should have done better .

 

His fall  more than his peak has been dramatic. You cannot avg in 20s for three years for top order batsman.

Edited June 16, 2023 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

No..

 

Kohli's downfall is the most dramatic i have seen of any supposed to be top level batsman. Past or present. His only good period came from maybe 2014 aussie tour to 2019 sa/bangladesh tour in india.

That's it. And I am being generous here.

 

Also poor impact runs as well. Atleast Ponting even during slump produced a couple of match winning knocks.

[Stan AF]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

both Ponting and dravid also had 5-6 years of good peak era like Kohli and that too when they batted in more batting gn friendly era of 2000s and no DRS.

Both have tmadtet 13,000+ test runs. Its pointless to compare them with somebody who struggled to cross 8,000 for 3 years