Lyon, the best spinner of his generation!

[zen]

Respect for Lyon for being a spinner that tends to take the conditions out of the equation relatively more.   

 

In the ongoing Ashes, even on the first day of the Birmingham test, he picked up 4 wkts and now has added 3 more to his kitty already. 

 

 

(Contrast that with Indian spinners who have made a career out of bowling on tailored pitches to batsmen who only play 3-5 tests in such conditions in 3-5 years)

 

In SENA since 2010:

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
NM Lyon (AUS)	2011-2023	88	166	3587.4	729	10509	333	7/152	12/286	31.55	2.92	64.6	11	2
KA Maharaj (SA)	2016-2023	41	68	1183.0	225	3729	117	7/32	9/97	31.87	3.15	60.6	7	0
GP Swann (ENG)	2010-2013	35	64	1373.1	261	4238	128	6/65	10/132	33.10	3.08	64.3	8	1
RA Jadeja (IND)	2013-2023	20	35	725.5	135	1936	52	6/138	7/258	37.23	2.66	83.7	1	0
MJ Leach (ENG)	2018-2023	20	31	614.1	124	1974	52	5/66	10/166	37.96	3.21	70.8	3	1
MM Ali (ENG)	2014-2023	46	78	1300.0	189	4748	121	6/53	10/112	39.23	3.65	64.4	4	1
R Ashwin (IND)	2011-2022	24	42	972.3	165	2754	70	4/55	7/121	39.34	2.83	83.3	0	0
HMRKB Herath (SL)	2011-2017	20	33	789.5	106	2317	54	5/79	9/128	42.90	2.93	87.7	2	0

[vvvslaxman]

Australian pitchecs home pitches for Lyon lol What kind of a dumbass filter is this. Entire match he got freebie wickets by bowling negative line.

[zen]

 

[Adamant]

SENA filter? 

Australia is Lyons home, right? 

[zen]

Lives up to his "GOAT" nickname ... beautiful bowler to watch and an excellent fielder off his own bowling as well:

 

 

[zen]

Off-spin perfection:

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

So, the GOAT off-spinner has a less-than-mediocre record on manufactured Asian (esp Indian) dustbowl pitches tailor-made for off-spin. Wonder why. It must be that the spicy food doesn't agree with him or some such excuse?

 

 

 

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

So, the GOAT off-spinner has a less-than-mediocre record on manufactured Asian (esp Indian) dustbowl pitches tailor-made for off-spin. Wonder why. It must be that the spicy food doesn't agree with him or some such excuse?

 

 

 

not enough of a challenge maybe (and that's a tongue-in-cheek remark)

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

So, the GOAT off-spinner has a less-than-mediocre record on manufactured Asian (esp Indian) dustbowl pitches tailor-made for off-spin. Wonder why. It must be that the spicy food doesn't agree with him or some such excuse?

 

 

 

 

That too against one of the worst spin players ever to playing for India.  He couldnt do zilch when Stokes added 60 odd runs with Jack leach no.11 batsman  to win the test. 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

So, the GOAT off-spinner has a less-than-mediocre record on manufactured Asian (esp Indian) dustbowl pitches tailor-made for off-spin. Wonder why. It must be that the spicy food doesn't agree with him or some such excuse?

 

 

If Lyon bowled to his own team, where batsmen hardly play much on such pitches, in India, he would likely out-perform the Indian spinners, who have also "tailored" their game for such to become more or less useless in anything relatively more challenging. 

 

[Bigg Brother]

He is good, close to 500 wickets for an Australian off spinner is no small feat. No need to diss him. 

[Adamant]

I think Lyon and Ashwin are on par in overseas conditions. 

 

But Ashwin's track record in Asian conditions turns it in his favour, not just that but that big a difference in average always means something. 

 

 

Lyon has failed to make an impact In SriLanka, UAE and Pakistan as well so it's not just about performances in India. 

 

But yeah I can see how this won't matter for white supremacists(or their bootlickers) who care only about cricket in SENA. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

3 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

He is good, close to 500 wickets for an Australian off spinner is no small feat. No need to diss him. 

No diss.  Respect where it is due.  But he ain't better than Ashwin, just successful in different conditions.  

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

He is good, close to 500 wickets for an Australian off spinner is no small feat. No need to diss him. 

 

Ashwin fanboys (let them, who cares) 

 

 

[Majestic]

Lyon is having a great time because his nemesis is out from cricket since the start of the year and will most likely be back next year only.

 

An Australian great but not ATG. Neither are Ashwin or Jadeja ATG as well.

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

He is good, close to 500 wickets for an Australian off spinner is no small feat. No need to diss him. 

 

He is the lone spinner with guaranteed spot in every single match home or away.  He is going to bowl a lot of overs. He is going to stack up wickets obviously. If he were to play for INdia with jadeja in the side he would not have played that many tests to start with given his woeful batting.

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Lyon is having a great time because his nemesis is out from cricket since the start of the year and will most likely be back next year only.

 

An Australian great but not ATG. Neither are Ashwin or Jadeja ATG as well.

at least 6-7 Aus spinners better than him, but he is still a fine bowler: O'Reilly, Grimmett, Benaud, Warne, McGill, Mallett, Ironmonger

[Majestic]

Just now, Vijy said:

at least 6-7 Aus spinners better than him, but he is still a fine bowler: O'Reilly, Grimmett, Benaud, Warne, McGill, Mallett, Ironmonger

I know the first 4.

 

McGill is an underachiever. I would say Lyon has surpassed him. No idea about the other two as I haven't read about them.

[Vijy]

Just now, Majestic said:

I know the first 4.

 

McGill is an underachiever. I would say Lyon has surpassed him. No idea about the other two as I haven't read about them.

Mallett was best spinner outside Ind spin trio (Bedi, Pras, Chandra) in that era, and arguably as good as bedi and pras.

 

Ironmonger made his debut very late. one of the early mystery spinners who was quite deadly.

 

McGill was underachiever, but was a much more dangerous bowler than Lyon

[Majestic]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He is the lone spinner with guaranteed spot in every single match home or away.  He is going to bowl a lot of overs. He is going to stack up wickets obviously. If he were to play for INdia with jadeja in the side he would not have played that many tests to start with given his woeful batting.

Just like Lyon is rated highly by some posters here inspite of 32 average because he took 500 wickets, I wonder what is the reason they despise Kapil for his 29 average after 434 wickets?