rangeelaraja Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, bharathh said: Damn. Our draw with the Chinese today has put the Men's chess team in 2nd place. Iran comes from third to take first. Is it the final result ? I don't think we have played Vietnam or have we ? I think if we beat them we could take 1st place. Edited October 4, 2023 by rangeelaraja
bharathh Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: Is it the final result ? 3 more rounds. Iran doesn't face anyone that can dethrone them though. India/China/Iran and Uzbekistan have all faced each other already
rangeelaraja Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 1 minute ago, bharathh said: 3 more rounds. Iran doesn't face anyone that can dethrone them though. India/China/Iran and Uzbekistan have all faced each other already We have not played Vietnam. We have underperformed in Chess. We were the top seeds. That Iranian guy - Maghsoodloo Parham - has been on fire. We not only beat Vietnam's Le Quang Liam - he also beat Gukesh.
bharathh Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 1 minute ago, rangeelaraja said: We have not played Vietnam. We have underperformed in Chess. We were the top seeds. That Iranian guy - Maghsoodloo Parham - has been on fire. We not only beat Vietnam's Le Quang Liam - he also beat Gukesh. We should beat Vietnam.. Iran as a team beat both Uzbekistan and China whereas we drew with them.
rangeelaraja Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, bharathh said: We should beat Vietnam.. Iran as a team beat both Uzbekistan and China whereas we drew with them. Yeah...that Maghsoodloo Parham from Iran - he was the cutting edge. I expected more from Gukesh and Pragg.
bharathh Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 We may finish on 26-29 golds which will be ~ 7-12 golds behind Korea and Japan. This despite not having any gold from gold heavy events like Swimming, Diving, Gymnastics, Cycling, Fencing, Rowing, Canoeing where they win many golds consistently. Amazing performance from the Indian team. rollingstoned, Norman, AuxiliA and 1 other 1 3
randomGuy Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, bharathh said: We may finish on 26-29 golds which will be ~ 7-12 golds behind Korea and Japan. This despite not having any gold from gold heavy events like Swimming, Diving, Gymnastics, Cycling, Fencing, Rowing, Canoeing where they win many golds consistently. Amazing performance from the Indian team. Whether it is 24 golds or 25, 99 overall or 100, it doesn't take away anything from the fact that it has been an amazing campaign (also covered very well on ICF). rollingstoned, deepdynamo, Norman and 2 others 1 4
deathmonger Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 38 minutes ago, bharathh said: We may finish on 26-29 golds which will be ~ 7-12 golds behind Korea and Japan. This despite not having any gold from gold heavy events like Swimming, Diving, Gymnastics, Cycling, Fencing, Rowing, Canoeing where they win many golds consistently. Amazing performance from the Indian team. korea japan will be soon overtaken in 15 years time. they are already first world and won't grow anymore plus they are aging and population is declining hence lesser pool. our economy is still growing plus population also increasing. china is tougher cause while their population has plateaued they are still growing (although they are slower than us). also they have same number of people as us and we don't have the population advantage we do against japan/korea. i only see us overtaking china around 2060 when we will be a 0.82-0.83 hdi country and china will be a 0.92-0.93 country. we will also have 200-300 million more people who will be younger. randomGuy 1
cowboysfan Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 52 minutes ago, bharathh said: We may finish on 26-29 golds which will be ~ 7-12 golds behind Korea and Japan. This despite not having any gold from gold heavy events like Swimming, Diving, Gymnastics, Cycling, Fencing, Rowing, Canoeing where they win many golds consistently. Amazing performance from the Indian team. we need to invest in other sports ,many events the chinese have no competition at all.
deathmonger Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, cowboysfan said: we need to invest in other sports ,many events the chinese have no competition at all. those events will come automatically as india grows richer. even the chinese started with "cheaper" sports like shooting and weightlifting. now they are richer they are going into rowing, swimming, sailing, canoeing etc. rollingstoned and cowboysfan 2
bharathh Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/3/2023 at 7:37 PM, bharathh said: Tomorrow potential medals Compound Archery Mixed team should medal tomorrow. Hopefully gold given the form of Vennam and Ojas. Ojas was perfect in 2 matches to reach to final in the individuals. Recurve Mixed team is also in the QFs.. but we have been disappointed enough by them to know they are not a sure thing. Squash (Hopefully we don't win any of these as that would mean they get to the finals) Mens semifinals Mixed team semifinals x 2 Athletics Mens Javelin - potential for 1-2 with Neeraj and Jena Womens 800m - Bains & Harmilan could win silver/bronze 35 km mixed team walk - there are only 5 teams - so India could win a surprise medal here Mens 5000m - Avinash Sable could medal here hopefully. Is in great form 4x400m Womens - unlikely medal - maybe bronze 4x400m Mens - Not winning gold will be disappointing Boxing Parveen Hooda in the semifinals. Hope she wins to get final.. but likely bronze Bridge Mens team - Gold/Silver Wrestling (Greco-Roman) Hopefully a couple here - although not our strong suite. Haven't won a medal in a while Not bad - my predictions for today were pretty good. Was wrong about the women's team - they were awesome even without Hima Das Forgot about Lovlina's medal. rollingstoned 1
bharathh Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, cowboysfan said: we need to invest in other sports ,many events the chinese have no competition at all. We need to get better to make our current guys sure shots at winning and make them all world class all the time. Can expand after that IMO. Athletics is the best investment IMO. Track & Field can be done anywhere in India. Not as much fancy equipment required. In fact if we open high performance centers in Uttarakhand/Ladakh/Western Ghats and train track athletes there we have a good environment + high altitude training for track events. Weightlifting should also be a focus area. NE people seem to have a proclivity for it. Need to invest in scouting the NE states for athletes in weightlifting esp. Edited October 4, 2023 by bharathh
bharathh Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 Feels like we are hardly going to get any medals after the last few days. Tomorrow potential medals Archery: Optimistic here but feel that the two team events in Compound archery are golds for us. Men & Women. Gold x 2 Squash: Mixed - Silver, Singles - Gold Wrestling: Womens Freestyle 53kg - Antim Panghal - Silver/Bronze (She was silver medalist in the recent Asian Championships, Bronze medalist in this year's world championships and gold medalist in the U20 championships). Bronze should be a given but would be good to win Silver. Japanese lady in this category is a certain winner Womens Freestyle 57kg - Mansi Ahlawat - Bronze (Already has a bye to the QF. Comes off some big wins in the U23 world championships where she won bronze. Also coming to a lower weight category from a higher one. Should be an advantage). Beat Anshu Malik and Sarita Mor for the qualification to the Games. 6 medals in total. Predicted tally 3G - 1S - 2B randomGuy, rollingstoned and coffee_rules 2 1
deathmonger Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 50 minutes ago, bharathh said: We need to get better to make our current guys sure shots at winning and make them all world class all the time. Can expand after that IMO. Athletics is the best investment IMO. Track & Field can be done anywhere in India. Not as much fancy equipment required. In fact if we open high performance centers in Uttarakhand/Ladakh/Western Ghats and train track athletes there we have a good environment + high altitude training for track events. Weightlifting should also be a focus area. NE people seem to have a proclivity for it. Need to invest in scouting the NE states for athletes in weightlifting esp. TIER 1 - sports we are already world class in (best in the world - wins gold at highest levels) compound archery TIER 2 - sports we are good in but not yet world class (wins a medal or two in olympics/world championships) boxing wrestling badminton shooting athletics hockey weightlifting TIER 3 - sports we are ok in (not yet world championship/olympic level but qualifies till quarter finals) recurve archery table tennis TIER 4 - sports we are bad at (group stage exit in world championship/olympic) swimming cycling rowing etc etc First priority should be to get TIER 2 to 1, then 3 to 2, then new sports in 4 to 3. 15 years down the line again move a tier up. randomGuy, Sandz and rollingstoned 1 2
bharathh Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, deathmonger said: TIER 1 - sports we are already world class in (best in the world - wins gold at highest levels) compound archery TIER 2 - sports we are good in but not yet world class (wins a medal or two in olympics/world championships) boxing wrestling badminton shooting athletics hockey weightlifting TIER 3 - sports we are ok in (not yet world championship/olympic level but qualifies till quarter finals) recurve archery table tennis TIER 4 - sports we are bad at (group stage exit in world championship/olympic) swimming cycling rowing etc etc First priority should be to get TIER 2 to 1, then 3 to 2, then new sports in 4 to 3. 15 years down the line again move a tier up. Shooting is actually tier 1. Look at the world rankings on the ISSF site. We have Indians in the top 5 in every category. This goes back 10 yrs. Pedigree at Olympics is bad. Otherwise at World Championships we do great. However, given the number of medals we can win we are a mix of 1 and 2. Boxing is Tier 3 atm. Weightlifting is Tier 4. Athletics is also Tier 3 - although we have a couple of events we can be great at. 4x400m mens, Javelin Mens are the only ones where we can say we are truly world class. TT is also Tier 4 Edited October 4, 2023 by bharathh rollingstoned and randomGuy 1 1
rangeelaraja Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 Olympics is several notches above Asian Games or Commonwealth Games. Many many countries much below in the tally than us in Asian Games or Commonwealth end always end up winning many more medals than us in Olympics. If we can cross double digits in next Olympics ( which we have never done in our history ) - it would be a bigger achievement than 100 medals here at the Asian Games. We need to be near unbeatable in 3-4 target sports at Olympics level. rollingstoned 1
deathmonger Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 1 minute ago, bharathh said: Shooting is actually tier 1. Look at the world rankings on the ISSF site. We have Indians in the top 5 in every category. This goes back 10 yrs. Pedigree at Olympics is bad. Otherwise at World Championships we do great. However, given the number of medals we can win we are a mix of 1 and 2. Boxing is Tier 3 atm. Weightlifting is Tier 4. Athletics is also Tier 3 - although we have a couple of events we can be great at. 4x400m mens, Javelin Mens are the only ones where we can say we are truly world class. TT is also Tier 4 shooting is tier 1 true but keeping it in 2 till olympics performance is good. athletics i'd say is tier 2 (tier 2 is not world class but good). we do make olympics/world championship finals and have top 10 finishes a lot. in junior championships also we have started winning medals. boxing especially women's boxing is tier 2. we win world championship medals and olympic medals too. tier 2 is basically a bronze or two in olympics. tt is tier 3. tier 3 is qualifies for world championships/olympics but loses a few rounds in. tier 4 is complete zero, just starting out. lose in first round itself (if a candidate even qualifies for the event in the first place).
deathmonger Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: Olympics is several notches above Asian Games or Commonwealth Games. Many many countries much below in the tally than us in Asian Games or Commonwealth end always end up winning many more medals than us in Olympics. If we can cross double digits in next Olympics ( which we have never done in our history ) - it would be a bigger achievement than 100 medals here at the Asian Games. We need to be near unbeatable in 3-4 target sports at Olympics level. yes, cause the games they are good at they are world class in. while we are decent at many, but not world class in many. the only sport where we are truly world class is compound archery (which is not an olympic sport). rollingstoned 1
Lone Wolf Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 Going above Iran should be number 1 priority in Paris. We have to move past them. For that we need minimum 4 gold medals..
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