This is the worst Pakistani side i have ever seen.

[ravishingravi]

The side was mediocre to begin with. Except top 3 fast bowlers. But what we are seeing now is that the sheen of talent and unpredictability has worn off. I think the veneer was first smashed by India in Asia cup. That really damaged the image the Pakistanis had falsely assumed about themselves. From false sense of confidence they have gone to no confidence at all. 

[adi B]

These guys are not mentally strong or I should say prepared . All they did was play on those home pattas for a couple of years against Srl,WI,Bang,Zimbabwe or so and countries like Eng,Aus,Nzl sent their B,C teams for Odis and T20s.

Pak were so comfortable playing at home and Beating such poor sides not realizing their real test would come once they step outside their comfort zones outside home conditions.

They look clueless here and their bowling looks toothless.

Only chance of a redemption is to win their remaining matches somehow .

[tapandrun]

Donot think this is the worse side, Pak still has 2-v.good batters, 2/3 good bowlers.

They are lacking in spin department. Pak side some 7-8 years back without Ajmal at their poorest.

 

I think its just they are too conservative in their approach which does not work well these days, 300 is not a safe target , 330 is competitive.

 

Their batting style puts too much pressure on certain Player -Iftikar and their bowling. They have been scoring sub-par scores for sometime and their bowling has been bailing them out.

 

 

But this WC they bowling has been v.v.flat. After injury Afridi is hardly bowling into 140s. Rauf's approach is not working in this wc.

[R!TTER]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

That really damaged the image the Pakistanis had falsely assumed about themselves. From false sense of confidence they have gone to no confidence at all. 

If India plays without fear, like they usually do, they would smash Pak 9/10 times & that hasn't changed in the last 10-15 years! The issue is pressure of the occasion of course & how it can drown you - 2017 CT was a perfect example & 2021 less so, because conditions changed drastically in the second innings.

[Nikhil_cric]

Gotta trust List A stats and your best List A performers if you need to get better. 

 

What both England and Pakistan have shown is that you cannot select ODI teams based on T20/Test performances .

 

The 50 over format has its own rhythm and needs to be respected as such.

 

Joe Root simply has no performances in 50 over cricket since previous World Cup. Neither does Harry Brook or Woakes or Curran or Moeen Ali.   

 

They should have backed James Vince and Sam Billings .

 

Similarly, Pakistan should have backed Saim Ayub , Tayyab Tahir ahead of Saud Shakeel and invested for a long time in Usama Mir instead of throwing him in last moment when nothing suggested that Shadab is a 50 overs spinner.

 

IND/SA/OZ/NZ  have a core group of players who have either performed in bilateral ODI's or at least have List A numbers and that does make a difference.

 

 

[Machine]

Phenk de Paaawkistan 

[Autonomous]

6 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Gotta trust List A stats and your best List A performers if you need to get better. 

 

What both England and Pakistan have shown is that you cannot select ODI teams based on T20/Test performances .

 

The 50 over format has its own rhythm and needs to be respected as such.

 

Joe Root simply has no performances in 50 over cricket since previous World Cup. Neither does Harry Brook or Woakes or Curran or Moeen Ali.   

 

They should have backed James Vince and Sam Billings .

 

Similarly, Pakistan should have backed Saim Ayub , Tayyab Tahir ahead of Saud Shakeel and invested for a long time in Usama Mir instead of throwing him in last moment when nothing suggested that Shadab is a 50 overs spinner.

 

IND/SA/OZ/NZ  have a core group of players who have either performed in bilateral ODI's or at least have List A numbers and that does make a difference.

 

 

100% agreed. 

[MediumPacer]

Afghanistan are a good side ,their one weakness is pace bowling ,but in these conditions it's not that important.

 

So their performance is not a huge surprise.

[bsriharsha]

Also doubt the pitches in Pakistan for list A matches have the variety. Indian pitches for the domestic season have more to offer for the bowlers , and have more variety. 

 

This leads to increase in the cricketing standards. 

[Rightarmfast]

These guys are mentally weak. The team management also is poor. They just dont have the winning mentality. The team is alright. WC and the huge crowd has been way too intimidating for the Pak team. 

They are overawed by the situation. 

[Frustrated]

27 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

These guys are mentally weak. The team management also is poor. They just dont have the winning mentality. The team is alright. WC and the huge crowd has been way too intimidating for the Pak team. 

They are overawed by the situation. 

The Pak team is not alright.  It's a highly mediocre team with glaring loopholes.  The overall skill set of this team is so poor that they cannot win even if they become mentally strong as a unit later on.  Their spinners cannot turn the ball,cannot take wickets in the middle overs.  Batsmen(except Iftikar) can not hit sixes even in PP.  Rauf has only raw pace,no variations, no yorkers.  Too predictable.    Team is highly dependent on one bowler "SSA" to pick up early wickets.  Otherwise they are toast even while playing against minnows.  On top of that,  Shadab is their Vice Kaptaan. LOL.   He is nothing more than a bits and pieces player.  

[gakgupta]

I have seen worst teams...

 

There was a time... some random rana (can't even remember the name) was leading their pace bowling attack 

[Rightarmfast]

32 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

The Pak team is not alright.  It's a highly mediocre team with glaring loopholes.  The overall skill set of this team is so poor that they cannot win even if they become mentally strong as a unit later on.  Their spinners cannot turn the ball,cannot take wickets in the middle overs.  Batsmen(except Iftikar) can not hit sixes even in PP.  Rauf has only raw pace,no variations, no yorkers.  Too predictable.    Team is highly dependent on one bowler "SSA" to pick up early wickets.  Otherwise they are toast even while playing against minnows.  On top of that,  Shadab is their Vice Kaptaan. LOL.   He is nothing more than a bits and pieces player.  

Well, that's what you think and I think differently. But that's alright

[Tillu]

[the don]

16 hours ago, cric_fan said:

This.

Naseem absent ruined the balance. Plus backup Isanullah is also injured. 
 

Shaheen has lost the zip since injury. I guess he has lost the rythm. Sad to see.

 

But there was no excuse for bringing back Hasan fgs.

Shaheen is still not fully fit although he was bowling quicker last night. Naseem as i said is a massive miss. He was the only one bowling under 5 rpo on pakistani pattas. The spinners in the squad are school level. Batsman maaray tou aur baat hai, yeh tou aik length pe ball hi nahi keratay. They aren’t goona pick abrar because if he performs Babar aur management ko gaalian parain gi.

[the don]

14 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Gotta trust List A stats and your best List A performers if you need to get better. 

 

What both England and Pakistan have shown is that you cannot select ODI teams based on T20/Test performances .

 

The 50 over format has its own rhythm and needs to be respected as such.

 

Joe Root simply has no performances in 50 over cricket since previous World Cup. Neither does Harry Brook or Woakes or Curran or Moeen Ali.   

 

They should have backed James Vince and Sam Billings .

 

Similarly, Pakistan should have backed Saim Ayub , Tayyab Tahir ahead of Saud Shakeel and invested for a long time in Usama Mir instead of throwing him in last moment when nothing suggested that Shadab is a 50 overs spinner.

 

IND/SA/OZ/NZ  have a core group of players who have either performed in bilateral ODI's or at least have List A numbers and that does make a difference.

 

 

True.

[the don]

There is also a lot of fear of failure. From playing an accumulator like Imam to Abdullah reigning himself in. Should have gone for more attacking options as often works for pak. One of the reasons why Abrar wasnt picked because of what ifs. Too much fear of failure. 

[Norman]

6 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

These guys are mentally weak

 

Also physically weak. Just look at the lofted shots they were hitting yesterday. Embarassing to watch... except Iftikhar , all of their lofted shots were landing in no man's land. Not even carrying to the deep fielders... 

[Norman]

Basically they brought into their own hype of "Lumber 1 team", "Lumber 1 batsman" , "World's best pace attack" etc etc by their delusional half wit fans. In reality, none of them were even close to being the best in the World in their respective departments.

 

That embarassing two day loss to India in the Asia Cup pretty much threw them back onto the ground and they're still yet to recover from the fall. Same thing has happened multiple times in the past but they refuse to learn.

[Tillu]

Why are Pakistani fans blaming only the spinners. This guy is one of the major reasons you are losing matches.