This must be the end of Iyer's international career

[Lord]

20 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Forget about it. They ain't dropping him for this. His weakness was identifed more than an year back. He is still making runs consistently.  They will back him. Kishan is a tuk tuk boy in the middle overs. He literally gets stuck.

 

After such a platform even Kishan will attack. Plus bring left hander advantage. Shreyas's weakness has become worse as he's not even backing away as he used to. Any captain will bring on his fast bowler to target him.

[Swag]

As someone mentioned previously, 40/2 in a semifinal against SA, Iyer walks in, Bavuma brings in Jansen and Rabada & they target Iyer with bouncers.

How long do you think he will realistically last before throwing away his wicket playing a hook shot?

I think he is a very good batsman but this is my fear.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

After such a platform even Kishan will attack. Plus bring left hander advantage. Shreyas's weakness has become worse as he's not even backing away as he used to. Any captain will bring on his fast bowler to target him.

 

Not like this.  They will back him.  Come on they won't drop a guy who hits these 100 meter sixes effortlessly when on song. He scores a 50 or 100 every 2.5 innings with all these weaknesses. They want that from someone else. Kishan's problem is he doesn't rotate strike. Even in T20 mroe than 50% of his deliveries are dot balls. It will put pressure on other guys. Today Iyer was flying which allowed KL Rahul to rotate the strike

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Swag said:

As someone mentioned previously, 40/2 in a semifinal against SA, Iyer walks in, Bavuma brings in Jansen and Rabada & they target Iyer with bouncers.

How long do you think he will realistically last before throwing away his wicket playing a hook shot?

I think he is a very good batsman but this is my fear.

That threat is always there. But team management won't go and tell him "Hey we are worried about you facing bouncers from SA so you are being left out".  They back him fo whatever reason. Let us hope he comes good.   But last 3 innings against SA 50, 113*, 28*  . 

[ravishingravi]

42 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Very angry vibes. Specially that response to short ball question

 

Exactly. Gave me more alarm bells about his temperament. If he fails in SF, we will sorely regret this. 

[vvvslaxman]

18 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Exactly. Gave me more alarm bells about his temperament. If he fails in SF, we will sorely regret this. 

 

I am more worried about swing bowler running riot against top order. India has never been bounced out since that 2010 world T20.

[R!TTER]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Come on they won't drop a guy who hits these 100 meter sixes effortlessly when on song. He scores a 50 or 100 every 2.5 innings with all these weaknesses. They want that from someone else. Kishan's problem is he doesn't rotate strike. Even in T20 mroe than 50% of his deliveries are dot balls. It will put pressure on other guys. Today Iyer was flying which allowed KL Rahul to rotate the strike

This was the flattest track & probably the easiest bowling lineup in this WC, this doesn't show anything wrt KO except perhaps give him some more confidence for the latter games!

Edited November 2, 2023 by R!TTER

[R!TTER]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

India has never been bounced out since that 2010 world T20.

Wrong 2015 WC vs Oz we were bullied by MJ & few others IIRC?

[ravishingravi]

12 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Wrong 2015 WC vs Oz we were bullied by MJ & few others IIRC?

 

And England in WC 2019

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

This was the flattest track & probably the easiest bowling lineup in this WC, this doesn't show anything wrt KO except perhaps give him some more confidence for the latter games!

 

Later on tracks will be even more flat

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

Wrong 2015 WC vs Oz we were bullied by MJ & few others IIRC?

 

India was in control when Dhawan and Rohit played. Rohit/Kohli are still better against short balls. HEck even Rahane is.  But this 10/3 , 5/3 happens only against new ball.

[vvvslaxman]

He may or may not click. if we are going to assume TM will drop based on weaknesses we will have to field different team for different venues. Ball is swinging, left armer bowling let us sit our top order out. Left arm spinner is bowling let us sit Kohli out. They will never do that.

[coffee_rules]

One innings is summer make.. 

 

 

he is not accepting his weakness that's why the problem.pic.twitter.com/2G9nKBBHNm

— Sunil the Cricketer (@1sInto2s) November 2, 2023

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

One innings is summer make.. 

 

 

 

 

Hope he doesn't resort to more pull shots :) He actually pulls some of the shots  very well with full control. As the graph showed in th eother match any time when the ball is below 1.7 meter he hit almost all of them for fours. But if it goes over 1.7 meter he get sinto a tangle and gets out.

[coffee_rules]

16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Hope he doesn't resort to more pull shots :) He actually pulls some of the shots  very well with full control. As the graph showed in th eother match any time when the ball is below 1.7 meter he hit almost all of them for fours. But if it goes over 1.7 meter he get sinto a tangle and gets out.

He doesn’t time it well if it’s fast, gets beaten by pace and skies it. He is not RoSha who has all the time in the world with his swivel and pull

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

He doesn’t time it well if it’s fast, gets beaten by pace and skies it. He is not RoSha who has all the time in the world with his swivel and pull

He actually nailed a 145k ball from Haris Rauf in SL> I don't think it is the pace that does him. It is the height. Anything above eye level even at 120k he gets into a tangle. Guys like Rohit would already be in p osition or bail out. Kohli would certain avoid it.   If this guy overcomes this without being rooted to the crease he can be utterly destructive as he a tremendous frontfoot player. Even half connection goes for 90 meters. He has to learn how to drop his hands somehow.  He has a bit of ego for sure. Otherwise he won't try to pull everything regardless of height, line.

[Number]

One way to judge that a batsman is picking up length properly or not, is where his pull shot is going. 

If a batter is pulling towards square of the wicket, he is judging length well (Rohit/Inzamam). If the pull is going towards midwicket then he isn't.

Shreyas is able to pull towards square of the wicket shows that he is able to judge length well and has the time. His weakness is line judgement. He is pulling the 6th stump ball towards square leg which is always going to be skied up. He just needs to leave those. Probably try to go in nets without bat and dodge as many tennis ball bouncers as he can.

[Number]

5 hours ago, Swag said:

As someone mentioned previously, 40/2 in a semifinal against SA, Iyer walks in, Bavuma brings in Jansen and Rabada & they target Iyer with bouncers.

How long do you think he will realistically last before throwing away his wicket playing a hook shot?

I think he is a very good batsman but this is my fear.

https://cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/50958/ind-vs-rsa-2nd-odi-south-africa-tour-of-india-2022

 

Exactly same scenario lol. Walked in at 48-2 when we were chasing 280, scored a match winning 100. Rabada, Nortje played in that game.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Number

[SRT100]

I enjoyed the innings by Iyer, disappointing that SKY failed as it was a test for him as well.

 

2 more matches to go, I dont think Pandya should play if he is not 100%, its just way too risky.

[Nikhil_cric]

We keep talking about weaknesses but at the end of the day , has out top order faced a hostile spell of inswing yet ? 

 

Any guarantees that if the ball starts swinging in semis, we can make it though the phase relatively unscathed ?

 

Since 2019 World Cup, Iyer has scored nearly a 1000 runs against OZ/SA/NZ/PAK/ENG

 

at an average of 44 and a strike rate of 98.

 

There's literally nobody else we have who has such numbers at #4.