Uttar Pradesh Bans Sale Of Halal-Certified Products With Immediate Effect

[Khota]

India's most populous state bans some Halal-certified products

 

India's most populous state bans some Halal-certified products (msn.com)

 

Let us be clear. These halal certified products were competing with Indian regulation authority. That is not a religious problem, rather an administrative one.

[Sooda]

On 11/18/2023 at 5:30 PM, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

The thought process of putting animal through a slow, painful and miserable death seeing their own blood ooze out till their death - it is extremely barbaric. 

 

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/up-bans-sale-of-halal-certified-products-with-immediate-effect-4585665#pfrom=home-ndtv_bigstory

 

That is simply not how halal slaughter works. In fact it is the opposite of barbaric: a razor sharp knife is required, and quick slice of the animals throat cutting the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe in a single slice - it is dead so cannot "see their own blood ooze out".

Alot of halal meat in the west is pre stunned for ease, though many stricter Muslims (and indeeed Jews who eat kosher) suggest that it should not be because of the duress that stunning causes the animal

[someone]

It is also about employment discrimination? Halal requires only Muslim be slaughterer, and the business associated with abattoir.

 

There must be many non-Muslims who have lost jobs. That ought to discussed and protected.

 

And it's not just non-veg, but even dairy, oil and other related.

 

[coffee_rules]

5 hours ago, Sooda said:

 

That is simply not how halal slaughter works. In fact it is the opposite of barbaric: a razor sharp knife is required, and quick slice of the animals throat cutting the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe in a single slice - it is dead so cannot "see their own blood ooze out".

Alot of halal meat in the west is pre stunned for ease, though many stricter Muslims (and indeeed Jews who eat kosher) suggest that it should not be because of the duress that stunning causes the animal

 

This topic is abut illegal Hala certification especially for Vegetarian and Ayervedic products. Why should Atta and Chai be Hala certified? There are Halal Certified Resorts in the west. It is a big scam.

 

[Sooda]

4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

This topic is abut illegal Hala certification especially for Vegetarian and Ayervedic products. Why should Atta and Chai be Hala certified? There are Halal Certified Resorts in the west. It is a big scam.

 

 

That is fair enough and do not disagree... but that is not what the OP made it about

[Ranvir]

7 hours ago, Sooda said:

 

That is simply not how halal slaughter works. In fact it is the opposite of barbaric: a razor sharp knife is required, and quick slice of the animals throat cutting the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe in a single slice - it is dead so cannot "see their own blood ooze out".

Alot of halal meat in the west is pre stunned for ease, though many stricter Muslims (and indeeed Jews who eat kosher) suggest that it should not be because of the duress that stunning causes the animal

If a Muslim was to be executed and was given the option of a Guillotine or Halal cut of the throat I'm pretty sure all would choose the guillotine. 

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Sooda said:

 

That is fair enough and do not disagree... but that is not what the OP made it about

Checked out the article shared in OP. 
 

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/up-bans-sale-of-halal-certified-products-with-immediate-effect-4585665#pfrom=home-ndtv_bigstory

 

 

 

It’s is about Hala certification to Medicines, non-meat food products etc The UP government has not banned Halal meat. 

[diga]

11 hours ago, someone said:

It is also about employment discrimination? Halal requires only Muslim be slaughterer, and the business associated with abattoir.

 

There must be many non-Muslims who have lost jobs. That ought to discussed and protected.

 

And it's not just non-veg, but even dairy, oil and other related.

 

 

Is this true? @Mariyam / @Sooda 

 

Eventually if every product is to be halal certified, then all employees of that org need to be muslims ... thats scary

[Sooda]

2 hours ago, diga said:

 

Is this true? @Mariyam / @Sooda 

 

Eventually if every product is to be halal certified, then all employees of that org need to be muslims ... thats scary

 

This Only applies to slaughter houses,

 

 

Not other products that need to be halal certified 

 

 

[Mariyam]

2 hours ago, diga said:

 

Is this true? @Mariyam / @Sooda 

 

Eventually if every product is to be halal certified, then all employees of that org need to be muslims ... thats scary

Not all employees. The person carrying out the ritual slaughter. Only he has to be a Muslim. There is debate if the person can be from the people of the book: Christian or Jewish. 
 

The other employees can be anybody. The cashier. The person who cleans the meat post slaughter etc. 

 

A Muslim person carrying out a what is essentially an Islamic dietary norm is scary?

[Mariyam]

^
That said, the practice of halaal certifying milk, dairy products, vegetarian snacks etc is abhorrent.  What next? Halaal toothbrush? Halaal lip gloss? And it fools the gullible. That is what the ban is all about. 
 

[diga]

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

 

 

A Muslim person carrying out a what is essentially an Islamic dietary norm is scary?

obfuscation ... I said if all products need to be halal certified, then that is scary. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

6 hours ago, Mariyam said:

^
That said, the practice of halaal certifying milk, dairy products, vegetarian snacks etc is abhorrent.  What next? Halaal toothbrush? Halaal lip gloss? And it fools the gullible. That is what the ban is all about. 
 

They do have organic water and toothpaste. Why not halaal toothbrush and lip gloss? 

[BacktoCricaddict]

15 hours ago, Ranvir said:

If a Muslim was to be executed and was given the option of a Guillotine or Halal cut of the throat I'm pretty sure all would choose the guillotine. 

This is a bigger discussion of human rights vs animal rights.

[rangeelaraja]

The answer to all of this is a total economic boycott of non-meat products that have a halal certified label.  

 

There is no other way to deal with this kind of non-sense.

 

It is very shameful that pure vegetarian restaurants like Haldiram that don't even have eggs in their kitchen pantry have started issuing halal labels.

 

The lack of Hindu unity and economic greed is the reason why this sort of non-sense has been rampant in this country for centuries. Even now we  don't learn.

 

 I am a Jain ( although  a practicing vegetarian, not the Jain diet ) -- -- most of my Jain brethren are extremely particular about Jain diet - but you would never see the Jain community resorting to this sort of coercion- and demanding that stores have Jain diet certified products.

 

Although a very tiny minority, Jains are by far the most affluent community in India - the biggest stock brokers, diamond merchants, real estate developers ..are all Jains. On a per capita basis the average Jain is easily 1000X more affluent than the average Muslim in India - but you would never see this sort of coercion.

 

Once upon a time - In Maharashtra and Gujarat - since there were no restaurants that served Jain food-  Jains started their own JAIN food only restaurants to serve the community.

 

Seeing this, restaurant owners in Mumbai altered their menu to include Jain variations for almost all menu items.

 

This is the difference between a civilized community and ..........

Edited November 22, 2023 by rangeelaraja

[Khota]

On 11/21/2023 at 9:13 AM, Sooda said:

 

That is simply not how halal slaughter works. In fact it is the opposite of barbaric: a razor sharp knife is required, and quick slice of the animals throat cutting the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe in a single slice - it is dead so cannot "see their own blood ooze out".

Alot of halal meat in the west is pre stunned for ease, though many stricter Muslims (and indeeed Jews who eat kosher) suggest that it should not be because of the duress that stunning causes the animal

Says the one who will call an ambulance if he gets a paper cut.

 

Stunning or Jhatka is the most humane way of slaughtering animals.

 

Even in hunting all hunters are taught to go for a kill shot. Not to wound the animal.

[coffee_rules]

Apparently, the Halal Certification of all procucts exported to the Middle-East is mandatory. Manufactirers can  get certification only for products that are exported. Why should McDonalds/KFC serve only Halal Certifiied meat to all in India. They need to serve to only Muslims. 

[rangeelaraja]

On 11/21/2023 at 10:13 AM, Sooda said:

 

That is simply not how halal slaughter works. In fact it is the opposite of barbaric: a razor sharp knife is required, and quick slice of the animals throat cutting the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe in a single slice - it is dead so cannot "see their own blood ooze out".

Alot of halal meat in the west is pre stunned for ease, though many stricter Muslims (and indeeed Jews who eat kosher) suggest that it should not be because of the duress that stunning causes the animal

 

 

Thats simply untrue @Sooda

 

Veterinarian's are unanimous in that unstunned cattle takes about 20 seconds ( and upto 2 minutes ) to lose full consciousness, sheep six or seven seconds ( and upto 20 seconds ) ....and poultry ( 7-10 seconds ).....but all these times can be longer.

 

Making animals witness their own slaughter in a state of semi-consciousness is cruel and barbaric. 

 

But then again all these  foreign "ideas"  are coming from Saudia where chopping off a human's hands and other limbs beheading someone are all " halal " ways justice.

 

If you want to propagate halal - then why not do it in its entirety from where all if this originated. 

 

Why pontificate halal ( what is "permissible")  only selectively only in matters that have to do with diet ?

 

It is amply clear to everybody that, that land ( Saudia )  and everything originating from there has nothing to do with being scientific in any form.

They are barbarians, always have been. If not for the petro dollar money, they would have not been much more advanced than sub saharan countries thanks to their practice of inbreeding and unscientific barbaric beliefs. 

 

Nearly everything coming out of Saudia is diametrically opposite of science.

 

While human circadian rhythm dictates eating during daylight hours and abstaining from food during wee hours and before the break of dawn 

a certain practice during a certain month mandates eating only during the Dark. 

 

All Hindus & Jains  ..have known for the longest time - to have their last meal before sunset, and next meal only after the daylight of dawn - we've known all of this much before modern science.

 

And wayy before the advent of this modern science, for several millennia, Hindus came up with the concept of "Ghotras"  aka lineage and that you don't marry someone from your lineage for it causes genetic disorders. Marriages don't take place if the girl and guy are from the same ghotra or intertwined ghotras.

 

The imported barbaric practice from Saudia promotes marrying cousin sisters and close relatives  - totally opposite of modern science.

 

Halal food ( even for meat products ) ....is yet another grossly unscientific fraud from the barbaric land of Saudia.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2023 by rangeelaraja

[Khota]

9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Apparently, the Halal Certification of all procucts exported to the Middle-East is mandatory. Manufactirers can  get certification only for products that are exported. Why should McDonalds/KFC serve only Halal Certifiied meat to all in India. They need to serve to only Muslims. 

Forcing others to eat halal meat is wrong at every level. Others have their rights too.

[Khota]

1 minute ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

Thats simply untrue.  

 

Veterinarian's are unanimous in that unstunned cattle takes about 20 seconds ( and upto 2 minutes ) to lose full consciousness, sheep six or seven seconds ( and upto 20 seconds ) ....and poultry ( 7-10 seconds ).....but all these times can be longer.

 

Making animals witness their own last few seconds in a state of semi-consciousness is cruel and barbaric. 

The reason for that is that there is still communication going on with the brain.

 

They make it sound like killing a animal with halal procedure is as pleasurable as having sex. 

 

Stunning is the right way to do the wrong thing.