Pros and Cons of preparing landmines for home series

[Number]

Cons 

1. No batsman has practice/confidence of batting long and scoring big runs.

2. Pacers will be useless. No development can be expected.

3. In the long run spinners will also be useless outside of those conditons.

4. Captaincy skills/field placements etc will never be in play for most part.

5. It may become a lottery at times and can get trapped in our own web.

 

Pros

1. Easy wins to get into WTC Finals only to get smashed.

2. Matches finishing in 2.5 days, less work for everyone, plenty of time for visitors for sightseeing in India helps tourism economy. Good quality time to be spent for Indian players.

 

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by Number

[sensible-indian]

No pros.

 

All cons.

 

It was fine and dandy in 2015 when we were finding our way.

 

Its criminal now.

 

Sadly we either get pattas or rank turners at home and both are lottery.

 

Especially patta where winning the toss can be such a huge advantage in most pitches.

Edited February 19, 2024 by sensible-indian

[Lone Wolf]

They should stop preparing Rank turners...  Kohli endorsed better pitches at home season in 2016...  We toured SL. In 2017 on better pitches.  Pacers played their role. 

Became better.  Batters gained confidence. 

 

We are not making WTC finals this time so focus long term. 

 

[Lord]

not this RR again

 

everyone prepares home pitches to their strength. SA gave us such difficult pitch

[Lord]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

They should stop preparing Rank turners...  Kohli endorsed better pitches at home season in 2016...  We toured SL. In 2017 on better pitches.  Pacers played their role. 

Became better.  Batters gained confidence. 

 

We are not making WTC finals this time so focus long term. 

 

 

We might due to home wins 

[sensible-indian]

SA is not looking for world domination..

 

We are.

 

Last time when Aus toured, we prepared pitches like total phattus.

 

Rank turners....and when we lost...

 

We dished out a patta (normal track gone wrong).

 

Then we went and tampered with WC finals pitch and lost again.

 

Lol.

[srgadjon]

I have been hearing about preparing bouncy, fast paced pitches at home every time India gets thrashed in overseas conditions since I was a kid. Let's face it, it will never happen. BCCI is too scared of preparing fast bowling friendly pitches at home and lose home advantage. They would rather prepare dust bowls and roll over visiting teams who have no clue how to play spin and then maybe try to get used to foreign conditions over time and win a test match or two in overseas conditions, than try and do anything else. Its a waste of time to even discuss this topic IMO.

Edited December 28, 2023 by srgadjon

[Number]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

 

 

everyone prepares home pitches to their strength. SA gave us such difficult pitch

No good teams don't. 

Australia can prepare green tracks against this Pakistan which has just 1 good bowler but they didn't. 

We prepare them even against Sri Lanka.

 

[Trichromatic]

Likes of Pujara would have played 30 more tests if pitches weren't bad at home.

[rollingstoned]

4 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Likes of Pujara would have played 30 more tests if pitches weren't bad at home.

Pitches until 2015 were fine and he made most of his runs then.

[Norman]

Agree..

 

Need to stop preparing rank turners. Just go back to the 2016 template where the wickets against England and New Zealand were top notch. Probably have some more bounce somehow...

[Norman]

13 hours ago, Lord said:

not this RR again

 

everyone prepares home pitches to their strength. SA gave us such difficult pitch

 

And South Africa scored 400 on the same "difficult pitch". Whereas we usually score 250 that too thanks to lower order contributions from axar or Ashwin. You just cannot defend the garbage wickets we prepare for tests at home without looking like a tool. 

 

 

Just look the wickets Australia usually prepare. Barring the last summer against South Africa, the wickets are absolutely top class and helped them produce bowlers who can put in the hard yards while batters got to play long gruelling knocks. 

[Number]

18 minutes ago, Norman said:

Agree..

 

Need to stop preparing rank turners. Just go back to the 2016 template where the wickets against England and New Zealand were top notch. Probably have some more bounce somehow...

At home we need to utilise and develop Kuldeep Yadav in current form.

Ashwin Kuldeep and Jadeja is a good trio for even flatter tracks.

Kuldeep can be used to break partnerships.

Has 2 5fers on flatter tracks in test cricket.

Edited December 29, 2023 by Number

[cricketfan28]

unless we have wtc in india turners are pointless.

[harpicP]

16 hours ago, cricketfan28 said:

unless we have wtc in india turners are pointless.

We don't want to compromise on our home advantage. That's fine but we should atleast create some replicate pitches prior touring away so that we get good practice before playing a series in SEN nations. 

[goose]

England are bringing a couple of exciting spin talents to India, be warned

[nevada]

On 12/29/2023 at 1:15 AM, Lord said:

not this RR again

 

everyone prepares home pitches to their strength. SA gave us such difficult pitch

Spinning tracks are not a problem. Preparing dust bowls that can barely last 3 days is the problem. 

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, goose said:

England are bringing a couple of exciting spin talents to India, be warned

these exciting tailunts can't even get selected in their domestic sides regularly. however, Ind batting is so poor they will probably do well

[Lord]

On 12/29/2023 at 2:19 PM, Norman said:

 

And South Africa scored 400 on the same "difficult pitch". Whereas we usually score 250 that too thanks to lower order contributions from axar or Ashwin. You just cannot defend the garbage wickets we prepare for tests at home without looking like a tool. 

 

 

Just look the wickets Australia usually prepare. Barring the last summer against South Africa, the wickets are absolutely top class and helped them produce bowlers who can put in the hard yards while batters got to play long gruelling knocks. 

 

Our bowling was crap thats why they scored 400. We used to bowl them cheaply before 2022 too.

 

Our Purane and Kohli struggled world over not just in India. If Ashwin,Jaddu are scoring runs regularly, the pitches cant be deemed minefield lol. Its just pathetic top order batting.

 

Aussie pitches usually have nothing for spinners. Yes Lyon and Indian spinners have done well but then Umesh etc do well in India too.

 

 

[Lord]

4 hours ago, nevada said:

Spinning tracks are not a problem. Preparing dust bowls that can barely last 3 days is the problem. 

 

This test last 3 days too.

 

It depends on skills of batting team too.