Why was Hanuma Vihari discarded?

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Pujara started great, he had method to his madness.When he scored his 100 in SA  in 2013 , I thought he would end up better than Dravid.

 

Pujara if you play him in India tomorrow he will average 50 easily.His method works well in India , he is very good in India still.

 

But too often in SENA he got stuck at one end and that killed whole momentum on the innings.You cannot let bowlers keep bowling to same batsmen.They will get you out.

 

BTW Vihari is no where near class of Pujara.

 

 

naah even in india he was declining. 2021 eng, 2021 nz, 2023 aus - didn't really score much. old pujara would have killed it here.

 

2015-19 pujara was a 60 in subcontinent, 40-42 overseas player.

 

post covid 20-30 everywhere.

[Frustrated]

It's not a question of Vihari being better than Gill and Iyer in MO in tests.   It's rather a question of who is worse.  The answer is Iyer (worst, especially in SENA).    Gill (worse)

Vihari(marginally better than the above two, in SENA).    But there are 2 things going against Vihari.    1) Age: he is already 31.   2) Fielding: He drops dollies in every test match that I can recall. Has a highly unathletic body

[vvvslaxman]

18 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

It's not a question of Vihari being better than Gill and Iyer in MO in tests.   It's rather a question of who is worse.  The answer is Iyer (worst, especially in SENA).    Gill (worse)

Vihari(marginally better than the above two, in SENA).    But there are 2 things going against Vihari.    1) Age: he is already 31.   2) Fielding: He drops dollies in every test match that I can recall. Has a highly unathletic body

 

SOmetimes not being a natural stroke player helps you do well in these parts as you don't attempt to play shots. Most of the time guys like Viru got out here while playing shots rather than while defending.  Pujara just let everything hit his body, arms, fingers. Even though he is not good against short ball he had a fool proof method to counter it.  Vihari often fends the ball.  Curious to see how Sai Sudarshan handles it. He is still a work in progress. But so far his body language looks very good

[neel roy]

378 to win. Day 4 pitch. India playing with Bumrah Shami. 3 wickets down. 110 odd on the board. Bairstow batting. Plays a short over cover and ball whooozes through hands of Vihari. Game set match England and for Viharis cricket career. 

[putrevus]

58 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

naah even in india he was declining. 2021 eng, 2021 nz, 2023 aus - didn't really score much. old pujara would have killed it here.

 

2015-19 pujara was a 60 in subcontinent, 40-42 overseas player.

 

post covid 20-30 everywhere.

You have to take into account the pitches India played in India during his decline.Most of them were bunsen burners so him with his game cannot do well on those wicket.

[Number]

For some players they look for one reason to drop them, for some others they look for just one reason to select them.

Poor Vihari belonged to the former set.

 

Edited January 5 by Number

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

You have to take into account the pitches India played in India during his decline.Most of them were bunsen burners so him with his game cannot do well on those wicket.

around 1 match per series was a bunsen. others were okish tracks. he made plenty of runs in those in the 15-19 series.

 

rohit, pant, iyer etc did well in those series.

[harpicP]

6 hours ago, Gollum said:

Iyer has played only a dozen tests till now, won't have a long career. But you must remember his debut series against NZ at home, then the 2 tests in BD. That has given him some breathing space. 

 

Btw he was also MOM in the D/N test against Lanka. 

 

When you have 3-4 MOMs in your first 10 tests you will get some leeway.

But how many chances? We know his weaknesses. Hell all teams know. As soon as he comes on, every sena team asks gets their main bowlers to hurl bouncers at him lol.

 

Someone with such major deficiencies shouldn't be picked for sena tests.

Edited January 5 by harpicP

[harpicP]

6 hours ago, goose said:

tests are / will become feeder matches for T20 franchise cricket. the latter wants to maximise brand value. that means good looks and good hitting, ideally both. everyone in the test XI must be seen as a potential IPL superstar otherwise they are wasting brand opportunity. pujara was an exception and made his name before IPL economics took hold. so yeh no receding hairlines unless you are exceptional. prasidh is also screwed.

Rohit has receding hair. Still an eyepeel star. Shamza shami. Got hair transplant and bow bowls better than ever. You know what, you might have a theory here.

[putrevus]

12 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

around 1 match per series was a bunsen. others were okish tracks. he made plenty of runs in those in the 15-19 series.

 

rohit, pant, iyer etc did well in those series.

All of them are attacking players.No many pitches were bunsen.

 

He struggled against Steve o Keefe even in Pune 2017  .

 

He has also declined .

[cricketfan28]

Vihari and rayudu, no backing 

[Frustrated]

1 hour ago, cricketfan28 said:

Vihari and rayudu, no backing 

Sorry, Rayudu was always trash.  His avg is inflated due to centuries against Zim and Windies.  Used to suck even in bilaterals against half decent teams.  Asia Cup 2018 Final vs Ban (a weak bowling line up) was a golden opportunity for him as the target was only 220. He scored a duck.   Followed that up with consistent failures even on home grounds vs Aus in the ODIs.   

Edited January 6 by Frustrated

[deathmonger]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

All of them are attacking players.No many pitches were bunsen.

 

He struggled against Steve o Keefe even in Pune 2017  .

 

He has also declined .

ahmedabad 3rd test 2021, aus 3rd test 2023 were bunsens. old pujara would have averaged at least 40+ in those series. he averaged 20 odd.

 

he played well in bangalore 17, a few of the sa 2015 matches (pure bunsens), sl 2015 3rd test so not like he couldn't play in spin friendly conditions.

[Suhaan]

10 hours ago, Gollum said:

Iyer has played only a dozen tests till now, won't have a long career. But you must remember his debut series against NZ at home, then the 2 tests in BD. That has given him some breathing space. 

 

Btw he was also MOM in the D/N test against Lanka. 

 

When you have 3-4 MOMs in your first 10 tests you will get some leeway.

Iyer will be targeted even in India,sides will like they always do here in India offlate play atleast 2 genuine spinners and one part timer and unleash fresh pacers against him whenever he's at the crease to make him uncomfortable with chin/shoulder level stuffs

This has turned out to be a nightmare to him

They will always target him,not sure what he will do in India as well with things going at back of his mind while batting

[Adamant]

No talent.

Should have never played for India.

 

 

[Adamant]

Sharma

jaiswal

gill

kohli

Pant

Rahul

Jadeja/ Sundar

 

This should be our batting lineup in away tests especially in SEN

[Frustrated]

1 minute ago, Adamant said:

Sharma

jaiswal

gill

kohli

Pant

Rahul

Jadeja/ Sundar

 

This should be our batting lineup in away tests especially in SEN

Gill should not play in SA, Nz and Eng.  Should play only in Aus.  

[Adamant]

5 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Gill should not play in SA, Nz and Eng.  Should play only in Aus.  

Gill is a talented batsman, I don’t think he will ever be Kohli level good but still he will become a fine test batsman that’s for sure.

 

We should stick with him in all conditions.

[Gollum]

Vihari was dropping sitters even in 20-21 BGT, remember Bumrah being unlucky in MCG and SCG. He also cost us the 5th test in Eng by dropping Bairstow in both innings.

 

Sadly he inspired no confidence with the bat or on the field, meek attitude as well, not that talented. Heard he was good against spin but Lyon owned him badly when others were smashing Lyon in that series.

[harpicP]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

No talent.

Should have never played for India.

 

 

Wouldn't say no talent. Sometimes it's just not enough to play for India. Pressure gets to you. But after like 20 whatever games and you still struggle then international cricket is just not for you. 

 

Not everyone can play for india unfortunately. Many talented players miss out. It sucks. Many can't get in through merit alone. Need to be a complete package which includes marketability unless you have political backing. 

 

Vihari is very good for domestics but he just doesn't have the skillset to play against the best at international level. Nothing wrong with that. 

 

Vice versa, some players are not outstanding in India but their skillset would translate better in sena hence making them key players against international calibre teams when you play away from home. Horses for courses.