Why was Hanuma Vihari discarded?

[Trichromatic]

How is he worse than someone like Shreyas Iyer or even Gill in tests?

[Lord]

yep , felt bad for him and ICF was against him too.

 

Just for Sydney he deserved a proper rope

[putrevus]

He had no offensive game.He was righfully discarded.

[Lord]

12 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He had no offensive game.He was righfully discarded.

nor did Pujara or Dravid. You need one such guy atleast. 

[Forever Indian]

One format players are more dispensable unfortunately and Vihari was more of a support player than someone who can win matches on his own.

 

Gill is seen as the next Rohit or Kohli and so will be given a longer rope. Shreyas Iyer should strictly be only in ODIs, he is not going to succeed in SENA tests because of his technique.

[Forever Indian]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

nor did Pujara or Dravid. You need one such guy atleast. 

 

Pujara and Dravid won games on their own right from start of their career. Vihari could not prove that in the 16 tests he played. Having said that he is still only 30 and can make a comeback if he scores heavily in domestics.

 

He could have played in place of Iyer in this team.

[Lord]

17 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

 

Pujara and Dravid won games on their own right from start of their career. Vihari could not prove that in the 16 tests he played. Having said that he is still only 30 and can make a comeback if he scores heavily in domestics.

 

He could have played in place of Iyer in this team.

They did in India. Vihari has hardly played in India. Overseas he has been very decent with good knocks in WI, SA, Enf and ofcourse Aus.

 

Anyday better than Iyer and Gill at 3. 

[goose]

receding hairline. i'm not even joking

[Gollum]

Poor catcher, not an athlete. Strokeless wonder....Pujara when he first broke through was a high tempo player on turners at home, Vihari couldn't do that even against SL.

 

He can still improve and come back though, there will lots of churning in coming 2-3 years. 

Edited January 5 by Gollum

[Gollum]

Iyer has played only a dozen tests till now, won't have a long career. But you must remember his debut series against NZ at home, then the 2 tests in BD. That has given him some breathing space. 

 

Btw he was also MOM in the D/N test against Lanka. 

 

When you have 3-4 MOMs in your first 10 tests you will get some leeway.

[Lord]

6 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Poor catcher, not an athlete. Strokeless wonder....Pujara when he first broke through was a high tempo player on turners at home, Vihari couldn't do that even against SL.

 

He can still improve and come back though, there will lots of churning in coming 2-3 years. 

 

He does have some 70 SR innings already. Vihari only played one series at home. Thats too little to judge. 

 

 

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Iyer has played only a dozen tests till now, won't have a long career. But you must remember his debut series against NZ at home, then the 2 tests in BD. That has given him some breathing space. 

 

Btw he was also MOM in the D/N test against Lanka. 

 

When you have 3-4 MOMs in your first 10 tests you will get some leeway.

 

Vihari played his 10 Tests overseas, Iyer mostly at home.

[goose]

tests are / will become feeder matches for T20 franchise cricket. the latter wants to maximise brand value. that means good looks and good hitting, ideally both. everyone in the test XI must be seen as a potential IPL superstar otherwise they are wasting brand opportunity. pujara was an exception and made his name before IPL economics took hold. so yeh no receding hairlines unless you are exceptional. prasidh is also screwed.

[putrevus]

18 minutes ago, Lord said:

nor did Pujara or Dravid. You need one such guy atleast. 

No you don't, Pujara's method  worked for one overseas series.He was the reason why India never went anywhere in many SENA tests.

 

 

[R!TTER]

49 minutes ago, goose said:

receding hairline. i'm not even joking

Sehwag right now

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

No you don't, Pujara's method  worked for one overseas series.He was the reason why India never went anywhere in many SENA tests.

 

 

naah.

 

2018 bgt

2021 bgt as well

 

2018 southampton test he played well.

 

2013-14 sa tour

2018 sa tour 3rd match

 

he was decent. reason india didnt go anywhere was bowling not being good.

 

the kohli-pujara-rahane trio peak was 2015-2019.

 

bumrah debuted in 2018 and elevated the pace attack along with shami, ishant later siraj. it was decent pre-him but only with him it became on another level.

 

if bumrah had come along a year earlier and everything else remained same ind would have won eng 2018 and sa 2018 (in eng bumrah didnt play the first 2 matches - first one was very close).

 

similarly if the trio was still good post covid ind would have won the eng 2021-22 series and the sa 2021-22 series.

 

tbh india hasn't done too badly post 2018 in SENA. winning consistently overseas has been done by no team except the great Aus and WI teams.

[cricspirit]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

nor did Pujara or Dravid. You need one such guy atleast. 

 

Not the same class..

 

Vihari did not inspire confidence after good amount of matches. 

 

 

I would say Dravid could be attacking and score briskly when situation called for it. On top of it was just good to watch and very useful catcher.

 

Pujara started his Career much better and had lot more mental strength. He got backers on consistent performance.he lost it after a while and became painful to watch. I am not a Pujara fan but he is still 2 levels above Vihari.

 

 

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, deathmonger said:

naah.

 

2018 bgt

2021 bgt as well

 

2018 southampton test he played well.

 

2013-14 sa tour

2018 sa tour 3rd match

 

he was decent. reason india didnt go anywhere was bowling not being good.

 

the kohli-pujara-rahane trio peak was 2015-2019.

 

bumrah debuted in 2018 and elevated the pace attack along with shami, ishant later siraj. it was decent pre-him but only with him it became on another level.

 

if bumrah had come along a year earlier and everything else remained same ind would have won eng 2018 and sa 2018 (in eng bumrah didnt play the first 2 matches - first one was very close).

 

similarly if the trio was still good post covid ind would have won the eng 2021-22 series and the sa 2021-22 series.

 

tbh india hasn't done too badly post 2018 in SENA. winning consistently overseas has been done by no team except the great Aus and WI teams.

Pujara started great, he had method to his madness.When he scored his 100 in SA  in 2013 , I thought he would end up better than Dravid.

 

Pujara if you play him in India tomorrow he will average 50 easily.His method works well in India , he is very good in India still.

 

But too often in SENA he got stuck at one end and that killed whole momentum on the innings.You cannot let bowlers keep bowling to same batsmen.They will get you out.

 

BTW Vihari is no where near class of Pujara.

 

 

Edited January 5 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

He is a tuk tuker. Also very weak against shor tball. Can't even attempt pull.

[vvvslaxman]

Current crop of cricketers are one-dimensional in many ways

 

1) Generally can't bowl

2) Certain players play well only on certain kind of pitches. 

 

India selects bowlers based on conditions. High time they use the same formula for batsmen as well.