Ram Mandir and politics

[Gollum]

Hope Modi and Yogi solve Kashi, Mathura as well. Don't stop here, these two men are the chosen ones to revive our civilization. For judiciary to fix the adharmis the environment must first be set right, we shall take back what is ours. Anyway Sardar Patel in Somnath, Modi here.....forever grateful. Thousand curses on the Nehru clan.

Edited January 12 by Gollum

[ravishingravi]

23 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Hope Modi and Yogi solve Kashi, Mathura as well. Don't stop here, these two men are the chosen ones to revive our civilization. For judiciary to fix the adharmis the environment must first be set right, we shall take back what is ours. Anyway Sardar Patel in Somnath, Modi here.....forever grateful. Thousand curses on the Nehru clan.

 

It's up to the courts really. Modi didn't solve this one. It was those dharmic lawyers and dedicated sevaks. 

[Gollum]

51 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

It's up to the courts really. Modi didn't solve this one. It was those dharmic lawyers and dedicated sevaks. 

Modi himself was a kar sevak. 

[ravishingravi]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Modi himself was a kar sevak. 

 

Thats his contribution. He was one of them. Also played a critical role in Yatra.

Edited January 12 by ravishingravi

[coffee_rules]

7 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Thats his contribution. He was one of them. Also played a critical role in Yatra.

He was the chief organizer behind Advani’s Rath Yatra.

[coffee_rules]

12 hours ago, Gollum said:

So Manmohan, RaGa can go to Afg to pay respects in barbarian Babur's tomb, Sonia can go to Vatican to meet the Pope. But no Congressi wants to go to Ayodhya. These lodus organize iftar parties at state's expense, loot temples dry, give imams and padrees gifts/money.....but this is mixing politics and religion for them? Anyway timely reminder about where they stand, election mein they will face the music.

 

The reason is that they are following the advice of the 4 shankaracharyas of char-dhaam who are against this ceremony.  This is really funny, there are many mathadipathis who have blessed this, why should a shaivite matha be followed for Ram Mandir. Some vague reason.  Now they have become trads and are saying this is not as per dharma-shastras, the mahurtam is not good (as if there is one panchang for entire Hindu religion!), etc. The 4 Shankaracharyas don't want to attend because there will more focus on Modi who will perform the ceremony rather than them, the supreme custodians of sanatan dharma. 

 

 

#WATCH | Delhi: Congress leader Pawan Khera says, "There is a system and set of rituals to perform Pranpratishtha... If this event is religious, then is it happening under the guidance of the Shankaracharyas of the four Peeths? All four Shankaracharyas have said clearly that the… pic.twitter.com/7eZ43LX4mV

— ANI (@ANI) January 12, 2024

Edited January 12 by coffee_rules

[BlueBlood]

So many issues in the country like still hundreds of millions of people sleeping hungry and can't eat more than 1 meal a day.

 

Instead of legalizing and removing the ban on genetically modified foods like every other wealthy nation has, the BJP and brainwashed junta lapped on to a theory where 80% majority Hindus are afraid of a small minority of people.

 

This is exactly what happened in Iran, Bangladesh and other countries with backward policies.

 

Now, instead of people questioning why they are not getting jobs, why India couldn't develop into a Vietnam or even the fact that India has a worse GDP per capita than Bangladssh and why their wealth has not increased while Adani and gang close to PM become richest in Asia... they have been brainwashed to worry about religious issues.

 

It's hilarious to me so called educated NRI's on this board falling for same thing. This one thing will bring the country backwards by 20 years as the next generation becomes religious fanatics and start blaming everyone else but corrupt politicians and corporates for their predicament.

 

It's really sad as it seems like Idiocracy movie as you can see how dumb tier 2 and tier 3+ cities population is becoming in India with this brainwashing by media channels. 

 

Just look at issue of the day: Maldives, nayanathara movie and temples.

 

Mexico, Vietnam and so many other countries surpassed India in terms of exports and prosperity in the last 10 years. Indian rupee is still weaker due to lack of exports and jobs.

 

Not a single person allowed to question without being called anti-Hindu. The country is turning into an Indonesia and Bangladesh with ass backwards way of thinking that is getting worse by the day.

 

Already Ambanis are spending more time in UK than India in their mansions but someone making a movie or tweeting is a bigger threat to the country economically apparently. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

So many issues in the country like still hundreds of millions of people sleeping hungry and can't eat more than 1 meal a day.

 

Instead of legalizing and removing the ban on genetically modified foods like every other wealthy nation has, the BJP and brainwashed junta lapped on to a theory where 80% majority Hindus are afraid of a small minority of people.

 

This is exactly what happened in Iran, Bangladesh and other countries with backward policies.

 

Now, instead of people questioning why they are not getting jobs, why India couldn't develop into a Vietnam or even the fact that India has a worse GDP per capita than Bangladssh and why their wealth has not increased while Adani and gang close to PM become richest in Asia... they have been brainwashed to worry about religious issues.

 

It's hilarious to me so called educated NRI's on this board falling for same thing. This one thing will bring the country backwards by 20 years as the next generation becomes religious fanatics and start blaming everyone else but corrupt politicians and corporates for their predicament.

 

It's really sad as it seems like Idiocracy movie as you can see how dumb tier 2 and tier 3+ cities population is becoming in India with this brainwashing by media channels. 

 

Just look at issue of the day: Maldives, nayanathara movie and temples.

 

Mexico, Vietnam and so many other countries surpassed India in terms of exports and prosperity in the last 10 years. Indian rupee is still weaker due to lack of exports and jobs.

 

Not a single person allowed to question without being called anti-Hindu. The country is turning into an Indonesia and Bangladesh with ass backwards way of thinking that is getting worse by the day.

 

Already Ambanis are spending more time in UK than India in their mansions but someone making a movie or tweeting is a bigger threat to the country economically apparently. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

 

Jai Shree Ram You are  card-carrying Congressi if you don’t see how monumental this event is for our civilization. Every developing nation is going back to their civiliazational roots to find progress and to help unify the country. China, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, etc are getting decolonized and believe in an exceptionalism that makes their youth to find hope to build their nations further .

 
Development is not Important and so is building self-respect and correct any historical errors to move forward. 
 

Regarding GMO, it is an extreme left agenda as scientists are divided on that issue. @BacktoCricaddict our resident SME  expert genetic biologist can help you understand further on your hat subject. 
 

And finally…

 

 

 

Why Ram Mandir? Why not hospital/schools? You'll find lots of ignorant Hindus asking this question.

Here are some facts stated by @rishibagree bhai.. pic.twitter.com/uciTSC41Tt

— Mr Sinha (@MrSinha_) January 11, 2024

Edited January 13 by coffee_rules

[MechEng]

5 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

So many issues in the country like still hundreds of millions of people sleeping hungry and can't eat more than 1 meal a day.

 

Instead of legalizing and removing the ban on genetically modified foods like every other wealthy nation has, the BJP and brainwashed junta lapped on to a theory where 80% majority Hindus are afraid of a small minority of people.

 

This is exactly what happened in Iran, Bangladesh and other countries with backward policies.

 

Now, instead of people questioning why they are not getting jobs, why India couldn't develop into a Vietnam or even the fact that India has a worse GDP per capita than Bangladssh and why their wealth has not increased while Adani and gang close to PM become richest in Asia... they have been brainwashed to worry about religious issues.

 

It's hilarious to me so called educated NRI's on this board falling for same thing. This one thing will bring the country backwards by 20 years as the next generation becomes religious fanatics and start blaming everyone else but corrupt politicians and corporates for their predicament.

 

It's really sad as it seems like Idiocracy movie as you can see how dumb tier 2 and tier 3+ cities population is becoming in India with this brainwashing by media channels. 

 

Just look at issue of the day: Maldives, nayanathara movie and temples.

 

Mexico, Vietnam and so many other countries surpassed India in terms of exports and prosperity in the last 10 years. Indian rupee is still weaker due to lack of exports and jobs.

 

Not a single person allowed to question without being called anti-Hindu. The country is turning into an Indonesia and Bangladesh with ass backwards way of thinking that is getting worse by the day.

 

Already Ambanis are spending more time in UK than India in their mansions but someone making a movie or tweeting is a bigger threat to the country economically apparently. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

 

 

There is news where the Italian female hockey team visits Ram temple and sing bhajans, then the obvious where people are celebrating by  cancelling Maldives vacations, what is happening to us?

 

Regarding the NRIs or any overseas settled desi, they have either achieved the American Dream or have established themselves in the socialist welfare societies of Europe and Australia, but the goras don't accept them, hence the search for identity or roots continue and Modi fulfills all that.

Edited January 13 by MechEng

[ravishingravi]

2 hours ago, MechEng said:

 

There is news where the Italian female hockey team visits Ram temple and sing bhajans, then the obvious where people are celebrating by  cancelling Maldives vacations, what is happening to us?

 

Regarding the NRIs or any overseas settled desi, they have either achieved the American Dream or have established themselves in the socialist welfare societies of Europe and Australia, but the goras don't accept them, hence the search for identity or roots continue and Modi fulfills all that.

 

So couple of things. 1) This is not especially true for media in India. Relatively speaking Indian media is worse. But all media is corrupt. 2) This is no small event in civilizational history of this land. Building of roads hasn't stopped because of this event. So I don't see the correlation. 3) NRIs are not driving these events. It is the people of India. NRIs are one small section of larger mass. 

[coffee_rules]

7 hours ago, MechEng said:

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Edited January 13 by coffee_rules

[someone]

3 hours ago, MechEng said:

 

There is news where the Italian female hockey team visits Ram temple and sing bhajans, then the obvious where people are celebrating by  cancelling Maldives vacations, what is happening to us?

 

Regarding the NRIs or any overseas settled desi, they have either achieved the American Dream or have established themselves in the socialist welfare societies of Europe and Australia, but the goras don't accept them, hence the search for identity or roots continue and Modi fulfills all that.

 

The first point is about the deep-rooted inferiority complex. Many Indians need that white foreigners validation. Youtube are filled with many reaction videos to India, who are just exploiting this mindset. But vice versa, there will be no takers when Indians to any reaction videos to foreign stuffs.

 

The second point just shows that one can be both Hindus and successful. As Indian style secularism, has often made it binary mode where Hindus identity is seen as a weakness, intolerant etc. A constant burden of the past, selective criticism, yet  other community don't face this.

 

Overall, Ram Mandir gives an opportunity for Indians to see the world, from their viewpoint. It is confidence building measure, as a century old dispute has been resolved. We need analyze the world from our viewpoint.  Build an eco-system, have questions, professional literature from the dharmic lense.

 

 

 

 

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[someone]

On 1/12/2024 at 2:57 PM, ravishingravi said:

 

It's up to the courts really. Modi didn't solve this one. It was those dharmic lawyers and dedicated sevaks. 

 

Our courts like many institutions are cowards, and prefer the status quo, zero reforms. They also postpone the verdict after 2019 elections. Thus, had Modi not won, the status quo would have just prevailed.

 

It just shows the importance of strong government which can provide a safe working space to take bold and the right decisions.

[EnterTheVoid]

We've been apologists for far too long, high time we reclaimed our culture.

 

Ram Janmabhoomi temple at Ayodhya is a monumental event.

[Lannister]

I think the decision of Congress, a liberal Hindu party, to refrain from participating in this religious ceremony is seen as a notable shift in Indian politics. It required a decade under Modi's governance for them to comprehend the true meaning of secularism.

[cowboysfan]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

I think the decision of Congress, a liberal Hindu party, to refrain from participating in this religious ceremony is seen as a notable shift in Indian politics. It required a decade under Modi's governance for them to comprehend the true meaning of secularism.

Decision may be right but Congress has completely misread the mood of the voters,if the prize is them getting shellacked and getting rid of the Gandhis once and for all then its worth it.

[BlueBlood]

Again, GDP per capital lower than Bangladesh.

 

Indian Ruppee weaker than ever before.

 

And farmers suicides continuing as they are unable to even buy proper equipment.

 

Ass backwards policies of cattle where farmers can't even sell their cows anymore once they have aged.

 

No genetically modified food allowed in a country where there's tons of hunger and malnourishment.

 

Look at Vietnam and Mexico where in just the last 10 years they increased per capita income by 4x thanks to building massive export oriented infrastructure. And now Mexico is slowly becoming a 1st world country.

 

India has all the top 4 most polluted cities in the world. 

 

Yet the people are brainwashed to talk about religious issues and not allowed to question. I recall a nation where people used to talk about corruption, lack of cleanliness, pollution, hunger, malnutrition, lack of education etc.

 

Once these issues flared up enough, something would be done about it like any other democracy. Now media and common public don't even talk about this due to false sense of pride.

 

Now it's considered patriotic to not learn English and remain poor with Hindi medium curriculum in tier 2 and tier 3 cities.

 

Every metric you see, rich are getting richer and poor and staying poor. This shows in record breaking emigration out of the country every year.

 

Yet we have to celebrate false pride to hide all deficiencies just like a cult. No different then North Korea and other backward religious fanatic nations.

 

Just look at that Infosys CEO saying he wants people to work 80 hours per week for same salary brazenly saying it's "duty to the country" to be a slave of your employer.

 

Coffee_rules and others I respect your opinions but this one issue saddens me the most. Historically downfalls of major nations was wrapped around the flag in the guise of patriotism.

[Lannister]

38 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

Decision may be right but Congress has completely misread the mood of the voters,if the prize is them getting shellacked and getting rid of the Gandhis once and for all then its worth it.

The focus is not on the current sentiments of the voters but on the ideologies embraced by political parties. BJP has consistently stated its commitment to representing Hindus. Therefore, the concern revolves around the available alternatives to the BJP.

[BlueBlood]

5 hours ago, MechEng said:

 

There is news where the Italian female hockey team visits Ram temple and sing bhajans, then the obvious where people are celebrating by  cancelling Maldives vacations, what is happening to us?

 

Regarding the NRIs or any overseas settled desi, they have either achieved the American Dream or have established themselves in the socialist welfare societies of Europe and Australia, but the goras don't accept them, hence the search for identity or roots continue and Modi fulfills all that.

 

This is a common tactic uses since Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Un etc.

 

Wrap yourself around for flag and under the guise of patriotism any criticism is challenged as anti-Hindu, terrorist etc.

 

Then, it's very easy to control the population which had zero financial or economic upliftment by brainwashing them that their issues are because someone else that does not share the same culture. Or just shut up and be happy and proud of your nation.

 

Apparently genetically modified food is a "extreme leftist" agenda. Something that could eradicate hunger and malnutrition overnight. You want to land on the moon and Mars, make scientific achievements but not do the most basic common sense thing to prevent unnecessary deaths due to hunger in this day and age.

 

It's because when you keep people hungry and poor, just offer them free rice and rations to control them. Because once they can feed themselves, they will demand better standard of living, standard of governance, education and upliftment.

 

We see that in Western nations which everyone posting here immigrated to long back where even a small level of corruption or mismanagement becomes a big issue that makes politicians act urgently to fix. Why? Because the common person isn't struggling for food, clothing, shelter, jobs and basic necessities.

 

I have no issue in criticizing prior administrations for not solving hunger or malnutrition. Which would ultimately help lower costs of Healthcare and spread of diseases.

 

Where I have serious issue is in this false sense of pride where all the lingering issues are swept aside and irrelevant issues like Maldives, Nayanathara etc. Get all the coverage.

 

This will keep the country poor and continue the braindrain. 

 

Adani and Ambani and other corporates can buy mansions in UK, roam around in 20 private jets and keep destroying small businesses with their monopolistic behavior in critical industries. But apparently they are pride of the country and we should be "proud" of them unlike TATA who actually does real charity work and does not need government assistance or state bank loans to grow. 

 

Recent elections are proof, where still money and liquor is openly distributed to win votes of poor people. If country is making so much progress and people are so proud as mentioned by media why do politicians need to openly distribute money to people to win votes?

 

Just mark my words: it will be the middle class that will be hurt the most with all these ass backwards policies in the end. Just look at GST implementation or demonetization it was morphed into a patriotic thing where rich will pay a fair share but in reality middle class gets hurt the most with these consumption taxes and cash is even more prevelant than ever before.

 

Should have banned cash like in most parts of China if real digitization was needed. But they never will as they need cash for elections and cash for corruption.

 

Yet no media showed issues about it because they are bought and paid for. In western nations even a 1% tax increase gets public to demand accountability.

 

A perfect example of this is Idiocracy movie. That's exactly what's happening with Hindi medium and lack of English in tier 2 and tier 3 cities where the next generation will have zero skills to thrive in a global environment.

[someone]

The usual suspects have only negative answers and reactions. It was evident also in our Mars missions successes. For them, India, and its indigenous culture are all poor and backward only, so the idea to dream, the idea to celebrate, shouldn't even exist. These are dangerous things and has to be discussed more often.

 

A lot of India's problems are pre-existing, and not caused by this government. Yet, many pre-existing issues which constantly bogged us down, has been resolved only recently. Be it many earlier having zero roads, zero electricity, zero bank accounts, zero tap water, zero health insurance etc. And this Ramjanmabhoomi centuries old issue, the entire country should be filled with pride, as this issue is no longer valid.

 

This last decade has seen the rise of Tier 2/3 towns, and this Ramjanmabhoomi will only accelerate it. These are exciting times. Ultimately, it's easy to be critical of the nation, yet what matters are the solutions, track record. Today, both sides today have their reports on economic, social welfare, and democracy. India has it's own unique history, unique challenges, and it's own unique solutions has to be done. One completely ignore India's own credibility, past and present, just to impose the western template and terminology for India.

 

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