This loss is entirely on batsmen

[Majestic]

Jadeja seems to be a soft run scoring batsman, his runs have never been of much substance.

[sensible-indian]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

We took a 180+ first innings lead.

 

Match turned in 2nd innings mainly due to Pope

 

England got tougher first innings conditions.

 

India got tougher 2nd innings conditions.

 

We got ONLY 180 runs lead batting in much easier conditions against a pathetic bowling attack.

 

A 300 run lead would have killed the game.

[Number]

5 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Jadeja seems to be a soft run scoring batsman, his runs have never been of much substance.

In MCG 2020, his partnership with Rahane turned the match in our favour.

He does contribute well in the first innings of the matches when top order doesn't do much. Can't fault him there.

[sensible-indian]

With the bat, Jadeja and Ashwin are amazing at playing secondary hero roles.

 

But never the main hero role.

 

Nothing wrong with it but that's the reality.

 

You would NEVER back Ashwin or Jadeja to chase down a target with the tail.

 

But you would back them to support a batsmen and see through a game.

Edited January 28 by sensible-indian

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, Number said:

In MCG 2020, his partnership with Rahane turned the match in our favour.

He does contribute well in the first innings of the matches when top order doesn't do much. Can't fault him there.

 

Also scored ton in England from 90-5. Should have won from there.

[Lord]

9 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

 

England got tougher first innings conditions.

 

India got tougher 2nd innings conditions.

 

We got ONLY 180 runs lead batting in much easier conditions against a pathetic bowling attack.

 

A 300 run lead would have killed the game.

 

How was England first innings tough? It was a fresh pitch with not much for spin or seam.

[sensible-indian]

Just now, Lord said:

 

How was England first innings tough? It was a fresh pitch with not much for spin or seam.

That moisture on Day 1.

 

Pitch settled on Day 2 and 3.

 

Look at some of the dismissals in the first inninings.

 

They got done in by the turn.

[singhvivek141]

33 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

What happened to Jaiswal in the 2nd inning?   Looked very confused on whether to attack or to defend throughout the 2nd inning.  Played couple of reverse sweeps.  Missed both of them.  The ball he got out to, was a nothing ball.   Just spooned it to the fielder.   

 

Seems another case of "too much advice", can't pass it as mental weakness so early in the career. He need to learn adaptability though else this virus of choking under pressure is contagious and can spread into him (if not already).

 

Anyway, to the topic...it's a combined loss in both departments. While our batters does succumb to even slightest of pressure, our bowlers too didn't look threatening when Pope was smashing them left & right. All the experience of bowling on turners proved useless the moment someone took the attack against them...Bumrah was the only one who gave more than 100% to keep us competitive. Likes of Jadeja, Ashwin, Axar, Siraj were just a big failure.

 

The less we should talk about batters, the better. They are bunch of IPL spoiled loudmouths who had no sense of respect & mental awareness towards this kind of situation. Everyone these days are called by multiple adjectives etc courtesy of the IPL jargons, while in reality they just an incompetent batters who simply don't know how to mould their game considering the challenges.

[Majestic]

11 minutes ago, Number said:

In MCG 2020, his partnership with Rahane turned the match in our favour.

He does contribute well in the first innings of the matches when top order doesn't do much. Can't fault him there.

Yes that's a good knock but never seen him win us a game from behind.

 

Ashwin is a better pressure player. 

[Bigg Brother]

Repeat of Galle 2015. Atleast that was away. Completely satisfied with the brutal spanking. This bunch needed to be brought back to earth for their so called home dominance which is hardly a team performance and 3-4 players winning it and saving the asses of non performers. Backing England to win the series. 

[Majestic]

11 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

With the bat, Jadeja and Ashwin are amazing at playing secondary hero roles.

 

But never the main hero role.

 

Nothing wrong with it but that's the reality.

 

You would NEVER back Ashwin or Jadeja to chase down a target with the tail.

 

But you would back them to support a batsmen and see through a game.

Ashwin was the main hero in Bangladesh test and in Sydney test, he didn't left the job to be done for others by getting out. He has pretty tight defence, just that Jadeja has more shots and hence he averages better.

 

Jadeja seems to falter a lot in 2nd innings of the game.

[sensible-indian]

Just now, Majestic said:

Ashwin was the main hero in Bangladesh test and in Sydney test, he didn't left the job to be done for others by getting out. He has pretty tight defence, just that Jadeja has more shots and hence he averages better.

 

Jadeja seems to falter a lot in 2nd innings of the game.

He was great but without Iyer or Vihari, he would have gifted his wicket and walked off.

 

He could have saved the WTC Finals test too but once Pant got out, he got out.

 

If Sreekar Bharat didn't get out, Ashwin would have seen us through.

 

He is not a Main Character with the bat.

 

Never was.

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

Ashwin was the main hero in Bangladesh test and in Sydney test, he didn't left the job to be done for others by getting out. He has pretty tight defence, just that Jadeja has more shots and hence he averages better.

 

Jadeja seems to falter a lot in 2nd innings of the game.

 

4 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Yes that's a good knock but never seen him win us a game from behind.

 

Ashwin is a better pressure player. 

Just checked, this is backed by stats too. Jadeja by match innings:-

 

1st and 2nd - 43,46

3rd and 4th - 19,20

[Nikhil_cric]

33 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Its like complaining about a kid who scored 70 when he usually gets 90...while ignoring the kid who always scores 50.

 

As long as people keep blaming bowling, the batting gets a free pass.

 

Batsmen scored 320 runs on a day 2 pitch when they should have posted 600.

 

They needed 100 from the tail to even get to 420.

 

Thats the real issue.

 

Had Pujara been there, we would have chased this.

 

Same goes for Pant.

 

Our batsmen couldnt collectively score 150 in the 4th innings.

Sorry to say but I think you're completely wrong about this. 

 

Thats a completely nonsensical analogy. 

 

Just because we could've chased this Pant and Pujara, theoretically , doesn't mean the bowling hadn't been the difference .

 

 

[sensible-indian]

4 minutes ago, Majestic said:

 

Just checked, this is backed by stats too. Jadeja by match innings:-

 

1st and 2nd - 43,46

3rd and 4th - 19,20

 

Very interesting stats.

[Majestic]

4 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

He was great but without Iyer or Vihari, he would have gifted his wicket and walked off.

 

He could have saved the WTC Finals test too but once Pant got out, he got out.

 

If Sreekar Bharat didn't get out, Ashwin would have seen us through.

 

He is not a Main Character with the bat.

 

Never was.

That's fine. He is not expected to be a main character because he is no Kapil Dev with bat. I don't have problem with whatever he has delivered in pressure situations.

 

I expect more from Jadeja and main batsman though in such situations.

[Suhaan]

6 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

Repeat of Galle 2015. Atleast that was away. Completely satisfied with the brutal spanking. This bunch needed to be brought back to earth for their so called home dominance which is hardly a team performance and 3-4 players winning it and saving the asses of non performers. Backing England to win the series. 

Once Pant had gone,this side lost its last and only fighter

This side is clearly fading and transition is upon us,if they don't react to it timely

Disaster is only thing they will meet as 2012 loss was on overstaying olds,well this one has young batting but our spinners are certainly getting old

And Bumrah too can't single-handedly carry the fast bowling anymore,he was well supported by Siraj in SA 2nd test and we won

Here it wasn't there

 

Need to bench Gill,Iyer asap

Gill specially,he needs to realise his not playing random games for GT,no more lover boy carelessness

[Lone Wolf]

31 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Jadeja seems to be a soft run scoring batsman, his runs have never been of much substance.

Said it time & time again...  Biggest scam of Indian cricket. 

He is okay cricketer at best. 

Still Will retire as ATG of Indian test sides coz of sheer stats. 

 

 

[Number]

14 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Yes that's a good knock but never seen him win us a game from behind.

 

Ashwin is a better pressure player. 

Yeah no comparison. Jadeja under pressure is a total tool. It shows up in his running btw wickets when the heat is on. Runs like a headless chicken. Ashwin is a proper fighter with the bat. 

Edited January 28 by Number

[sensible-indian]

Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

Sorry to say but I think you're completely wrong about this. 

 

Thats a completely nonsensical analogy. 

 

Just because we could've chased this Pant and Pujara, theoretically , doesn't mean the bowling hadn't been the difference .

 

 

 

Bowling could have done well but batting more often than not shits the bed.

 

In a way, I am happy that we lost this test.

 

Now our batsmen will get exposed.

 

Had it not been for our bowlers, these batsmen aren't good enough to win against Bangladesh.

 

Thats the issue.

 

Complaining about bowling is like ignoring the real problem.