Trichromatic Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Any significant performance? Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) Zero. Got a useless 250 on a patta in RSA where both sides scored 700. Useless 100 in Perth, match where his team was crushed. Nothing in SC, only humiliations in WI. Did ok enough with bat in NZ but Eng lost that series comfortably. When it comes to test performances outside home, Shardul Thakur the AR has a better legacy. Never mind an ATG like Jadeja. Edited February 10 by Gollum Lord and Adamant 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) Ashwin's rearguard blockathon in 2021 SCG>>>>>Stokes' entire test career outside home. Edited February 10 by Gollum Lord and nevada 2 Link to comment
Majestic Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) He was an England great due to being very good with bat and good with bowl. But now that he doesn't bowl, his batting is just good enough to be in the team and captaincy is certainly refreshing. In terms of performance, he doesn't have anything memorable to note in Australia and India. He has great record in South Africa and that's just about it when it comes to performance away from home. A clutch know with bat in T20 World Cup Final. Edited February 10 by Majestic Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) Stokes is the greatest allrounder of this generation. There is no one close to him.He is an asset in all formats. Injuries have caught up with him otherwise he would have been just fine with ball . No everyone can be Ian Botham. Edited February 10 by putrevus Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Just now, putrevus said: Stokes is the great allrounder of this generation. There is no one close to him.He is an asset in all formats. Injuries have caught up with him otherwise he would have been just fine with ball . Sir Jaddu is the greatest AR of modern test cricket. Don't confuse formats. Muloghonto 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gollum said: Sir Jaddu is the greatest AR of modern test cricket. Don't confuse formats. No he is not, he is not even close to Stokes. Don't get confused with Jadeja just because he is Indian. Edited February 10 by putrevus Link to comment
R!TTER Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 This is absurd - Jadeja is the biggest(luckiest?) match winner post 2k in tests, at least in terms of W/L ratio & no one's close to him! Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2011 Match result lost match Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 20 and runs scored greater than or equal to 200 Ordered by batting - bowling average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 45 of 45 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff Shakib Al Hasan (BAN) 2011-2022 22 1798 217 42.80 2 63 6/33 38.41 5 3 0 4.39 BA Stokes (ENG) 2013-2024 41 2094 155 25.53 3 88 6/99 35.73 2 28 0 -10.20 RA Jadeja (IND) 2013-2024 13 583 104 25.34 1 44 6/138 36.36 1 11 0 -11.01 R Ashwin (IND) 2011-2024 24 949 91* 21.56 0 88 6/46 33.14 2 9 0 -11.57 PJ Cummins (AUS) 2017-2024 16 460 64* 15.33 0 67 6/27 27.82 3 8 0 -12.48 CR Woakes (ENG) 2016-2022 17 777 61* 25.06 0 50 6/70 37.60 2 6 0 -12.53 VD Philander (SA) 2011-2020 17 552 52 21.23 0 41 5/70 34.04 1 1 0 -12.81 JO Holder (WI) 2014-2023 36 1564 82* 24.82 0 70 5/41 38.84 3 32 0 -14.01 MA Starc (AUS) 2011-2024 26 659 99 14.64 0 113 6/50 28.87 7 6 0 -14.23 JE Root (ENG) 2013-2024 50 3280 180* 34.52 3 25 5/8 50.76 1 58 0 -16.23 Having Ashwin by his side has helped him greatly, also Ashwin's benefitted just as well. Now admittedly the numbers can be a bit skewed depending on your "bias" but against top 8 sides he has a W/L ratio of almost 3:1 while the next best is probably Ashwin & he's primarily a bowler these days Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2011 Match result won match Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 and wickets taken greater than or equal to 50 Ordered by batting - bowling average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 13 of 13 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff RA Jadeja (IND) 2013-2024 38 1606 175* 38.23 2 185 7/42 19.85 10 20 0 18.37 BA Stokes (ENG) 2015-2024 43 2859 176 42.67 6 85 6/22 26.64 2 69 0 16.02 MG Johnson (AUS) 2011-2015 18 534 92* 33.37 0 99 7/40 19.84 5 9 0 13.52 R Ashwin (IND) 2011-2024 50 1619 124 28.91 4 323 7/59 18.56 28 18 0 10.35 VD Philander (SA) 2011-2019 33 920 74 26.28 0 152 6/21 17.13 11 14 0 9.14 MM Ali (ENG) 2014-2023 28 1187 155* 31.23 1 110 6/53 23.53 4 15 0 7.70 CR Woakes (ENG) 2014-2023 17 548 137* 28.84 1 65 5/50 22.56 1 12 0 6.27 MA Starc (AUS) 2011-2024 49 1083 84 24.61 0 215 6/66 23.41 7 24 0 1.19 SCJ Broad (ENG) 2011-2023 57 1080 74* 20.37 0 256 8/15 19.99 9 23 0 0.38 PJ Cummins (AUS) 2011-2024 32 577 44* 17.48 0 158 6/23 17.65 9 16 0 -0.17 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Away from home he still has an advantage! Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Home or away away (home of opposition) or neutral venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2011 Match result lost match Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 20 and runs scored greater than or equal to 200 Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 27 of 27 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff Shakib Al Hasan (BAN) 2017-2022 8 655 217 40.93 1 20 6/33 40.25 1 1 0 0.68 RA Jadeja (IND) 2013-2023 10 478 104 28.11 1 30 6/138 38.03 1 10 0 -9.91 BA Stokes (ENG) 2013-2024 27 1234 120 22.85 1 52 6/99 35.05 2 19 0 -12.20 R Ashwin (IND) 2011-2023 18 661 62 20.03 0 55 6/46 33.90 1 8 0 -13.87 MA Starc (AUS) 2013-2023 17 437 99 13.65 0 77 6/50 27.58 6 3 0 -13.92 PJ Cummins (AUS) 2017-2023 11 215 50 9.77 0 46 6/91 28.15 2 7 0 -18.37 SCJ Broad (ENG) 2012-2023 29 597 58* 12.97 0 84 6/81 32.01 1 10 0 -19.03 JM Anderson (ENG) 2012-2024 31 213 23* 6.65 0 96 6/42 28.29 4 20 0 -21.63 K Rabada (SA) 2015-2022 18 266 36 8.86 0 60 4/13 32.13 0 11 0 -23.26 TA Boult (NZ) 2012-2022 23 274 26 10.53 0 77 5/57 34.49 4 10 0 -23.95 This includes the absolute BS 2 WTC finals on a "neutral venue" against pace heavy attacks Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Home or away away (home of opposition) or neutral venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2011 Match result won match Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 20 and runs scored greater than or equal to 200 Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 11 of 11 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff MD Craig (NZ) 2014-2015 4 221 65 221.00 0 27 7/94 25.40 1 5 0 195.59 VD Philander (SA) 2012-2017 10 437 73 39.72 0 39 6/44 20.41 3 5 0 19.31 R Ashwin (IND) 2015-2023 12 525 118 32.81 2 64 7/71 21.15 5 1 0 11.65 BA Stokes (ENG) 2015-2024 16 1063 120 39.37 1 25 3/30 29.96 0 33 0 9.41 PJ Cummins (AUS) 2011-2023 9 245 44* 24.50 0 44 6/79 20.65 2 5 0 3.84 RA Jadeja (IND) 2014-2024 12 426 70* 28.40 0 42 5/152 25.50 1 4 0 2.90 MA Starc (AUS) 2012-2023 13 413 61 27.53 0 46 5/34 24.73 1 8 0 2.79 TG Southee (NZ) 2011-2021 9 253 50 23.00 0 42 5/62 20.45 1 9 0 2.54 Yasir Shah (PAK) 2014-2022 16 259 38* 17.26 0 118 8/41 21.57 10 13 0 -4.30 NM Lyon (AUS) 2011-2023 22 265 40* 17.66 0 104 8/64 23.12 5 9 0 -5.45 The only one with a positive W/L to his name Link to comment
Number Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Problem with Jadeja is that even now his place is not confirmed in the test XI outside India. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 The problem with Stokes is that he's been far too inconsistent with bat/bowl anywhere including in Eng - now some would say that's just the way he plays but it's a convenient excuse to basically ignore his shortcoming or poor performances in tests! Jadeja on the other hand has been a consistent batter even on square turners in India lower down the order - his closest competitor this gen is Ashwin, or Shakib if you include minnows, not overrated Headingly "miracle" (DRS) winner Stokes Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, putrevus said: Stokes is the greatest allrounder of this generation. There is no one close to him.He is an asset in all formats. Injuries have caught up with him otherwise he would have been just fine with ball . No everyone can be Ian Botham. Undoubtedly. But which are his notable performances outside England in tests? Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 17 minutes ago, Number said: Problem with Jadeja is that even now his place is not confirmed in the test XI outside India. That's because presence of Ashwin and other pacers. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, R!TTER said: The problem with Stokes is that he's been far too inconsistent with bat/bowl anywhere including in Eng - now some would say that's just the way he plays but it's a convenient excuse to basically ignore his shortcoming or poor performances in tests! Jadeja on the other hand has been a consistent batter even on square turners in India lower down the order - his closest competitor this gen is Ashwin, or Shakib if you include minnows, not overrated Headingly "miracle" (DRS) winner Stokes Everytime you see England in a situation where team needs him to rise up to the ocassion outside England, you would see commentators talking about his capabilities which would never translate into actual performance. Link to comment
Majestic Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Number said: Problem with Jadeja is that even now his place is not confirmed in the test XI outside India. On what basis? Ashwin only plays when Jadeja is injured. Link to comment
Majestic Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Away from home, it is close. Stokes Bat Avg 33, Bowl Avg 33 Jadeja Bat Avg 31, Bowl Avg 32 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, Majestic said: On what basis? Ashwin only plays when Jadeja is injured. That's only happened since 2020/21 - even till 2019 Oz tour Ashwin was the preferred A/R - heck Jadeja played just 1 test in 2018 Eng tour& none in SA He was at his absolute peak then, they really should've tried both of them more often over Sobers lite! Link to comment
Majestic Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) 14 minutes ago, R!TTER said: That's only happened since 2020/21 - even till 2019 Oz tour Ashwin was the preferred A/R - heck Jadeja played just 1 test in 2018 Eng tour& none in SA He was at his absolute peak then, they really should've tried both of them more often over Sobers lite! In 2020 NZ tour, Jadeja played a test ahead of Ashwin. So, it is 4 years now since Jadeja is playing ahead of Ashwin. He has left Ashwin in the dust as far as meriting a place in Indian team outside Asia is concerned. Edited February 10 by Majestic Link to comment
R!TTER Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Right & that's why I said 2020-21 it referred to the years not cricket season. 1 minute ago, Majestic said: So, it is 4 years now since Jadeja is playing ahead of Ashwin. Barely 4 years now - in that time he's also missed SA series twice(?) due to injuries. Link to comment
Majestic Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 4 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Right & that's why I said 2020-21 it referred to the years not cricket season. Barely 4 years now - in that time he's also missed SA series twice(?) due to injuries. 4 years is not barely. I don't think there is any debate on Jadeja 's place in the team. Link to comment
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