coffee_rules Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 4 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Pre-2014 condition is not an ideal solution. There are still many prosecuted Hindus, Christians, and Sikhs in Pakistan who need help. My heart cries upon their suffering. Shias should be taken by Iran, which does not have a big population. While Ahmadis have already been taken by the West. PS: The MOST prosecuted people in Pakistan are ex-Muslims. They are oppressed more than any Hindu/Sikh or Ahmadi/Shia by MILES. By law, their children will be immediately separated from them (as children are considered Muslims by birth), and they cannot inherit from their parents, and they will be killed as soon as they declare themselves ex-Muslims. All ex-Muslims in Pakistan are living a life of extreme fear. They don't know when they are going to be caught and killed by mobs or sent to prison by the Government. CAA is specifically for people living in limbo after applying. Nothing stops from anybody applying for refuge now and go through regular procedure and process. Ex-Muslums, Shia, Ahmediyyas, Hindus, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 19 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: No we don't... We don't have any obligation whatsoever. We are doing this on humanitarian grounds. A regular tax paying Indian living in the country doesn't owes jack s*t to these people. There are various reasons they didn't came to India in 47... Mostly coz of choice. As per the Swati Goel example when she told them they are tribals they knew what gifts they will be getting in India over this and celebrated. Mirpuris had to flee their homes in bet war... With Thousands dying.. They made the effort to migrate. And were given respect and citizenship. West Pak refugees followed same suit. As I am strongly against reservation coz it leads further division among Hindus these CAA beneficiary folks should be barred from having same benefits unlike a regular Indian... From a PR perspective it has been a disaster already. Although we are doing a big humanitarian service on our part even though it serves us nothing in return. Swati Goel is not in any official capacity. She’s just an activist trying to lobby for refugees to be rehabilitated quickly. No Govt official, ministry, PM, HM or anybody in BJP has promised tribal status to Hindu refugees from Pakistan. In fact, the previous RJ government even bulldozed some buildings or temp structures built for refugees while Rohingyas have been established in Delhi, J&K. All you are doing is mere fear-mongering to start another SC/ST agitation which no government can sustain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, coffee_rules said: CAA is specifically for people living in limbo after applying. Nothing stops from anybody applying for refuge now and go through regular procedure and process. Ex-Muslums, Shia, Ahmediyyas, Hindus, etc If Hindus/Sikhs/Christians from Pakistan apply now, then they will again land in limbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: If Hindus/Sikhs/Christians from Pakistan apply now, then they will again land in limbo. lol. Why do you post incorrect information? CAA only reduces wait times the current wait time is 11 years after the bill it is 5 years but for people who applied before 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Alam_dar said: If Hindus/Sikhs/Christians from Pakistan apply now, then they will again land in limbo. You my friend are asking the wrong question. You should be asking why they are fleeing. You should be ranting about it nonstop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alam_dar said: If Hindus/Sikhs/Christians from Pakistan apply now, then they will again land in limbo. Agree. Thats why i say a agreement is indeed needed between all nations in region to accept population based on principles of 1947 partition . Why should some Muslim living in Burma not be accepted by Pakistan or Bangladesh. Above policy recreates 1947 situations risk of Forced migration but all these nations need to collectively come to a solution. Thats only humane thing to do.IMO Partition is incomplete. Let all those who are unhappy with Hindus and Hindutva or saffronisation of India or have concerns that they may not be able to follow Islam , or feel risk that they may be converted,should move out of India too. Edited March 13 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 hours ago, ravishingravi said: You my friend are asking the wrong question. You should be asking why they are fleeing. You should be ranting about it nonstop. I am already doing it my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 hours ago, gattaca said: lol. Why do you post incorrect information? CAA only reduces wait times the current wait time is 11 years after the bill it is 5 years but for people who applied before 2014. ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Khan sahab silai karwa rahe hain, CAA mein apply karne ke liye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 CAA is gone by the comments of the SC,the selectiveness about its applicability makes no sense for Chief judge and just like i mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Article 14 of the Constitution of India reads as under: “The State shall not deny to any person equality before the law or the equal protection of the laws within the territory of India. it does not wisely mention that it only applies to indian citizens,the very fact that BJP thought this is will pass through SC challenges shows their Hubris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 In the same way the opposition oppose CAA i hope they accept UCC too because that will be a true adherent of article 14.no more different rules for different religions they cant pick and choose what they oppose and accept. Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 hours ago, cowboysfan said: Article 14 of the Constitution of India reads as under: “The State shall not deny to any person equality before the law or the equal protection of the laws within the territory of India. it does not wisely mention that it only applies to indian citizens,the very fact that BJP thought this is will pass through SC challenges shows their Hubris. Amit Shah in his interview mentioned that Congress/Earlier regime in the past has granted citizenship to Hindus specifically... (Mirpuri Hindus and West Pak refugees in that case).. So Article 14 has been breached in the past. What should be done is Post 2014 all migrants who don't fall under CAA should be kicked out from India.. Or maintain the status quo... And when NRC comes along they must be relocated to their country of origin or be given official refugee status in the country with proper documentation. This would be in accordance to Art 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 5 hours ago, cowboysfan said: Article 14 of the Constitution of India reads as under: “The State shall not deny to any person equality before the law or the equal protection of the laws within the territory of India. it does not wisely mention that it only applies to indian citizens,the very fact that BJP thought this is will pass through SC challenges shows their Hubris. the fact that it is applicable to only indian citizens is implied as citizens are by definition not equal to non citizens under their constitutional rights. This argument will not work because the government can easily show that we do grant greater rights to the citizens than non citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 11 hours ago, cowboysfan said: Article 14 of the Constitution of India reads as under: “The State shall not deny to any person equality before the law or the equal protection of the laws within the territory of India. it does not wisely mention that it only applies to indian citizens,the very fact that BJP thought this is will pass through SC challenges shows their Hubris. So which person is being denied ? Seems like same old regurgigated arguments whivh have been debunked 4 years back. Today's best video to take these arguments to cleaners. Muloghonto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 TheWire seriously printed this without hesitation. gattaca and mishra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Wire lol these guys are fleeing because of taliban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 22 hours ago, cowboysfan said: Article 14 of the Constitution of India reads as under: “The State shall not deny to any person equality before the law or the equal protection of the laws within the territory of India. it does not wisely mention that it only applies to indian citizens,the very fact that BJP thought this is will pass through SC challenges shows their Hubris. lol how are we equal ? India has reservations. That puts article 14 in a coffin. Reservations does extra advantages in jobs and scholarships. Regarding law SC and STs have separate law as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 17 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Amit Shah in his interview mentioned that Congress/Earlier regime in the past has granted citizenship to Hindus specifically... (Mirpuri Hindus and West Pak refugees in that case).. So Article 14 has been breached in the past. What should be done is Post 2014 all migrants who don't fall under CAA should be kicked out from India.. Or maintain the status quo... And when NRC comes along they must be relocated to their country of origin or be given official refugee status in the country with proper documentation. This would be in accordance to Art 14. You do know that no one is getting kicked out unless they enter illegally. This is only granting them citizenship with reduced wait times for Indic religions. The wait time is reduced by 6 yearly only. People are still squibiling about this law but people who have entered in 2014 will be at year 11 mark in a year. Too much ruckus by congress and opposition parties on this bill. Edited March 16 by gattaca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 (edited) One of the few success stories, brings tears. I do contribute to this foundation. Kabira Ram Bheel came to India from Pakistan’s Sindh just four years ago, fearing abduction of his daughter Aarti as is the case with many families who come here This week, Aarti made the entire refugee community proud by entering an IIT robotics competition in Delhi, thanks to… pic.twitter.com/YRZDfkNe8Z— Swati Goel Sharma (@swati_gs) April 4, 2024 Edited April 4 by coffee_rules Mariyam and diga 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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