MAYANK YADAV .... EXPRESS and bouncy Indian pacer who is accurate too

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, tapandrun said:

It might be end of his IPL -2024 with abdominal issue

mayank going the nagarkoti way? Koti was hitting high 140s at 17-18, and looked like a 150+ pacer before completely fading away. of course, their actions, heights, strengths, etc are all different

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

mayank going the nagarkoti way? Koti was hitting high 140s at 17-18, and looked like a 150+ pacer before completely fading away. of course, their actions, heights, strengths, etc are all different

Nagarkoti and Yadav can not be compared, Nagarkoti got injured and didnt return for a long time , some back related issue. 

Plus he was not that tall for a bowler so it was always going to be an issue and then there were better and more options available, he should have added batting ,

 

He is been playing on and off same  in domestics hardly plays anything  

[tapandrun]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/mayank-likely-to-miss-dc-tie/articleshow/109147032.cms

[Kron]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

mayank going the nagarkoti way? Koti was hitting high 140s at 17-18, and looked like a 150+ pacer before completely fading away. of course, their actions, heights, strengths, etc are all different

What is the solution? Express pacers are rare. Nobody produces them and if they do they usually have a slingy or near perfect javelin throw esque action like Lee, akthar (actor), Tait etc. Most are injuur prone. 

 

Diet and strength training all are great. But to be able to sustain speeds and not get hurt, what can young quicks do? 

 

It's not just about strength training. It's about flexibility of your muscles as well. Not sure if many are warming up properly. It takes a lot out of you. I think kids these days are making the mistake of lifting to or trying to lift too heavy. Not needed. Weighted calisthetics and sport specific exercises would be better. Recovery also needs to be spot on. 

 

I know very well cause I have seen what many kids do. All they want to do is compete for lifting heavy whilst sacrificing proper form etc.

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

What is the solution? Express pacers are rare. Nobody produces them and if they do they usually have a slingy or near perfect javelin throw esque action like Lee, akthar (actor), Tait etc. Most are injuur prone. 

 

Diet and strength training all are great. But to be able to sustain speeds and not get hurt, what can young quicks do? 

 

It's not just about strength training. It's about flexibility of your muscles as well. Not sure if many are warming up properly. It takes a lot out of you. I think kids these days are making the mistake of lifting to or trying to lift too heavy. Not needed. Weighted calisthetics and sport specific exercises would be better. Recovery also needs to be spot on. 

 

I know very well cause I have seen what many kids do. All they want to do is compete for lifting heavy whilst sacrificing proper form etc.

Bowler will get injuries, sports persons will get injuries, its just what it is. They are doing something which is not natural or putting their bodies to extremes.

 

rest recover rest should be proper, understanding and knowledge should also be with player themselves as well. Yes for younger player its hard to tell TM that they are not feeling good today.

 

Import is to come back stronger after the injury if they come back carrying that same injury or weaker or at similar strength the injury will reappear, and then returning processes should be monitored.

 

These days all athletes have coaches, trainer and nutritionists who can guide them and player are well-off to have them unlike the past. Its frequent travel and then playing every next day is causing these injuries so often and then as always player make their comeback to early before full recovery after injuries.

 

No athlete is fully fit all the times, they are carrying injuries and playing with then all the time, they can have proper conditioning only at certain period of times.

These days conditioning and recovery is not possible as their is no offseason in cricket.

 

[Need4Speed]

How did Patrick Cummins came back after so many injuries during his younger days and now is almost injury free from good time..

Did his muscles got stronger and he worked on specific training..

Can Mayank do the same in coming years?

[JaFanatic]

5 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

How did Patrick Cummins came back after so many injuries during his younger days and now is almost injury free from good time..

Did his muscles got stronger and he worked on specific training..

Can Mayank do the same in coming years?

Sure he can if BCCI could support him. We need to hire a proper fast bowling coach and need a better system to track and monitor our fast bowlers.

 

P.S I'd prefer a team management similar to that of Kohli Shastri era. Fast bowlers probably had their best backing and support. One thing they did wrong is not selecting the right 11 for the condition.

Edited April 9 by JaFanatic

[Kron]

5 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

How did Patrick Cummins came back after so many injuries during his younger days and now is almost injury free from good time..

Did his muscles got stronger and he worked on specific training..

Can Mayank do the same in coming years?

Well Patrick was a 143 to 150 and now he is a 135 to 143 ish bowler. A good drop of 6 kmph average 

[Need4Speed]

41 minutes ago, Kron said:

Well Patrick was a 143 to 150 and now he is a 135 to 143 ish bowler. A good drop of 6 kmph average 

He is playing all forms of cricket..and is 30 years now..thats fine..but he was still very fast few years back..

 

Coincidentally..Just saw similar mention of Patrick Cummins by Ian Bishop too in context of Mayank Yadav..

Well I guess Cummins is a great example anyways..in terms of great injury management and comeback..

[rollingstoned]

5 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

How did Patrick Cummins came back after so many injuries during his younger days and now is almost injury free from good time..

Did his muscles got stronger and he worked on specific training..

Can Mayank do the same in coming years?

Aussie bowlers used to get injured a lot because they were weight training Aussie rules style which is not needed for cricket and especially fast bowlers tbh. Atleast this is what I read on another forum. Once he stopped that and focussed more on stretching exercises while managing his pace well the injuries became a thing of the past. 

[Kron]

53 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Aussie bowlers used to get injured a lot because they were weight training Aussie rules style which is not needed for cricket and especially fast bowlers tbh. Atleast this is what I read on another forum. Once he stopped that and focussed more on stretching exercises while managing his pace well the injuries became a thing of the past. 

100%

Stretching key. Lot of players just neglect it. Indian ones in particular. Do not do heavy weights. Moderate weights plus calisthetics is better

[rollingstoned]

3 minutes ago, Kron said:

100%

Stretching key. Lot of players just neglect it. Indian ones in particular. Do not do heavy weights. Moderate weights plus calisthetics is better

Thiccgidi also improved his fitness and flexibility while losing weight just doing stretches and nothing else. Not even high impact exercises. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Need4Speed said:

He is playing all forms of cricket..and is 30 years now..thats fine..but he was still very fast few years back..

 

Coincidentally..Just saw similar mention of Patrick Cummins by Ian Bishop too in context of Mayank Yadav..

Well I guess Cummins is a great example anyways..in terms of great injury management and comeback..

he stayed out of cricket long. Eventually his body matured and started having less injury issues. Same case with Umesh who suffered several back fractures. Anderson too who used to have lot injuries in his early years.

[rkt.india]

56 minutes ago, Kron said:

100%

Stretching key. Lot of players just neglect it. Indian ones in particular. Do not do heavy weights. Moderate weights plus calisthetics is better

Heavy weight is better for fast bowlers. Heavy weight 2-5 reps Max. It will build lean muscles and create myofibrillar hypertrophy instead of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.

[singhvivek141]

27 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Heavy weight is better for fast bowlers. Heavy weight 2-5 reps Max. It will build lean muscles and create myofibrillar hypertrophy instead of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.

Weight training on the shoulders, back & legs is fine.

Nowadays there is a fascination amongst pacers to develop 6 pack abs..and often the young quicks put too much weight which eventually impact their back.

 

Nagarkoti is a prime example, take a look at its insta and he is happy posting pictures of his 6 pack abs, hardly you will see any cricket workout videos from him. 

 

Aaron told the same to stop lifting too heavy weights and asked Mayank to give his body as much rest as it can. So that muscles can heal & repair itself. Rest for a fast bowler (specially at a young age) is very very important. 

 

Edited April 9 by singhvivek141

[Need4Speed]

so we will see much fitter and stronger Mayank Verma in couple of years..hopefully he will still bowl 150+ consistently..as this guys seems to have a good head..would like him to be our next Bumrah with even more speed..

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

he stayed out of cricket long. Eventually his body matured and started having less injury issues. Same case with Umesh who suffered several back fractures. Anderson too who used to have lot injuries in his early years.

Anderson's injuries were mostly due to England trying to modify his action.Troy Cooley thought his natural action would make him injury prone.Only to admit he was wrong later.

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

he stayed out of cricket long. Eventually his body matured and started having less injury issues. Same case with Umesh who suffered several back fractures. Anderson too who used to have lot injuries in his early years.

Not just stayed out of cricket. He straightened out his action and stayed out of long format cricket. 

 

He was still playing ODIs and occasional BBL etc. 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

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[Kron]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Heavy weight is better for fast bowlers. Heavy weight 2-5 reps Max. It will build lean muscles and create myofibrillar hypertrophy instead of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.

 

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Weight training on the shoulders, back & legs is fine.

Nowadays there is a fascination amongst pacers to develop 6 pack abs..and often the young quicks put too much weight which eventually impact their back.

 

Nagarkoti is a prime example, take a look at its insta and he is happy posting pictures of his 6 pack abs, hardly you will see any cricket workout videos from him. 

 

Aaron told the same to stop lifting too heavy weights and asked Mayank to give his body as much rest as it can. So that muscles can heal & repair itself. Rest for a fast bowler (specially at a young age) is very very important. 

 

Watch the video by Michael holding. He said he never did heavy weights. Sport specific workouts and only focused on moderate weights but did it for power. Power training is different to strength. You do explosive movements for moderate weights. Like think of a Olympic weightlifting move. Snatch with a jumping squat. 

 

Does that at light to medium weights. Lots and lots of running. That's it.