Sick of sycophant commentators aka kohli paid media

[putrevus]

6 hours ago, mani sha said:

Batting and out batting gets u odi and t20 wc 

 

bowing - esp one which can help defend totals and not be like unadkat is all u need . 
 

it’s a batsman’s game - t20 . And even odi . Unless u tamper pitch .. 

I don’t think so, bowlers win trophies in white ball cricket. 
 

When your bowling unit cannot take single wicket , no score is enough.

 

 To your topic, is Kohli the only batsman on the team. 
 

 

 

Edited April 10 by putrevus

[mani sha]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don’t think so, bowlers win trophies in white ball cricket. 
 

When your bowling unit cannot take single wicket , no score is enough.

 

 To your topic, is Kohli the only batsman on the team. 
 

 

 

He pretends like he is the only batsman 

 

if u are good enough not to get out , and not good enough to raise ur strike rate to over 200 , u will make the team loose matches and ur middle order will never get a chance to showcase its skill . 
 

Only a blind person will ask a question like is he the only batsman in the team . 
a smart person will ask - what happens when kohli stays on crease and plays at least 50 balls - answer is we are 20 runs subpar at best . 
 

West Indies showed us in 2016 in mumbai . Stop running for singles and hit sixes .. as many as possible . Don’t hit one six or four and scamper for a single.  Hit two if not three . 
he does not want to change. And his teams don’t force him . Net result - as a captain we never won any odi trophy under him . Lower middle order was never well developed . 
 

now u have rinku , dube , jeetendra , sky and few more who go all out from ball 10 . That’s t20 for u . He is a curse which keeps on giving 

[putrevus]

43 minutes ago, mani sha said:

He pretends like he is the only batsman 

 

if u are good enough not to get out , and not good enough to raise ur strike rate to over 200 , u will make the team loose matches and ur middle order will never get a chance to showcase its skill . 
 

Only a blind person will ask a question like is he the only batsman in the team . 
a smart person will ask - what happens when kohli stays on crease and plays at least 50 balls - answer is we are 20 runs subpar at best . 
 

West Indies showed us in 2016 in mumbai . Stop running for singles and hit sixes .. as many as possible . Don’t hit one six or four and scamper for a single.  Hit two if not three . 
he does not want to change. And his teams don’t force him . Net result - as a captain we never won any odi trophy under him . Lower middle order was never well developed . 
 

now u have rinku , dube , jeetendra , sky and few more who go all out from ball 10 . That’s t20 for u . He is a curse which keeps on giving 

He bats at number 3 in case you forgot.When somebody does something without his help in a knockout match we will revisit his worth to the team

 

 2016 WI showed they could hit 4 sixes and win the trophy . If Kohli had such finishers in his team he would have won multiple titles.

 

Even in 2016 semi finals Kohli batted at higher SR than every other batsman other than Russell.

 

If you think Kohli has to bat like Russell then you need to watch different sport.

 

We all saw what wonderful things SKY did in 2022 and 2023.

 

He has been fighting lone batte becoming one man army.He has been lone batsman even on his worst days he has done more than other batsmen.

 

He is batting just fine for India in white ball cricket..He is still the best t20 batsman in India in cruicial matches against all bowling attacks.

 

Rinkus and tinkus will not win anything.

 

T20 world cup is not IPL

Edited April 10 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

Not all commies are like that. Harsha for once in his life doing good by showing passive aggression against Kohlis batting approach.  Manju is vocal. Even Bishop hinted that. Heck even Faf mentioned they could have gone harder in the end.

[TellTheTruth]

I think its not just a kohli problem but a problem with Indian Batting tactics in general since the IPL started. In the IPL most teams have generally 2 decent bowlers and 3 trash ones, hence tuk tuk against good bolwers and going after the bad bowlers gets you decent results. Rohit, Kohli, Gill,and lokesh are experts at playing like this, even naturally agressive players like jaiswal play like this or attempt to play like this. But when they go up against good international bowling attacks in t20 world cups it ends up back firing since theirs not many weak bowlers to exploit. this is why india rarely scores 170+ against good teams in t20 world cups. The only time they posted 180+ regularly against good teams was in 2007 pre IPL. If Yuvi had more IPL experience he would have milked stuart broad for a couple of one and 2s and scored a couple of boundaries against flintoff after getting set and india would have been knocked out in the group stages. and we would be talking about how Yuvi needing more help.

[diga]

RCBs batting template has been the same from ages..Kohli's anchoring used to be covered up by the aggressive Gayle & ABD's batting, but no longer. 

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, diga said:

RCBs batting template has been the same from ages..Kohli's anchoring used to be covered up by the aggressive Gayle & ABD's batting, but no longer. 

 

ABDV and Gayle were too big to change their batting style for Kohli. But other batsmen definitely were influenced by his batting style. Look how Faf played for CSK. how he is playing RCB. Best way to find out is by resting Kohli for a couple of matches.

[New guy]

On 4/10/2024 at 11:56 AM, putrevus said:

I don’t think so, bowlers win trophies in white ball cricket. 
 

When your bowling unit cannot take single wicket , no score is enough.

 

 To your topic, is Kohli the only batsman on the team. 
 

 

 

MI has so many trophies and also has the second highest number of 200+ scores in IPL. You need to be be good in EVERY facet to win

 

And are you really pretending when Kohli plays 10+ overs and faf wastes the powerplay overs, other batsmen even get to bat? 

 

You are blaming other batsmen when 4-5 batsmen get around 4-5 overs to bat out of 20?

[New guy]

10 hours ago, diga said:

RCBs batting template has been the same from ages..Kohli's anchoring used to be covered up by the aggressive Gayle & ABD's batting, but no longer. 

Even then they used to lose most matches. So it was not much of a cover up.

[lemsip]

Today's game is a classic example of how long, wicket preserving innings from Kohli hurt RCB batting first. This time he got out early, Bumrah took 5-19 and yet RCB scored more runs setting a target having lost 7 wickets than they did in the previous 2 where Kohli remained not out with big scores, they lost only 3 wickets and yet just achieved a below par score which was comfortably chased. The difference is that the other batsmen had more balls to showcase some attacking batting.

 

[IndianRenegade]

43 minutes ago, lemsip said:

Today's game is a classic example of how long, wicket preserving innings from Kohli hurt RCB batting first. This time he got out early, Bumrah took 5-19 and yet RCB scored more runs setting a target having lost 7 wickets than they did in the previous 2 where Kohli remained not out with big scores, they lost only 3 wickets and yet just achieved a below par score which was comfortably chased. The difference is that the other batsmen had more balls to showcase some attacking batting.

 

we will go in with Rohit & Kohli just to satisfy their big egos & lose again.

[mani sha]

2 hours ago, lemsip said:

Today's game is a classic example of how long, wicket preserving innings from Kohli hurt RCB batting first. This time he got out early, Bumrah took 5-19 and yet RCB scored more runs setting a target having lost 7 wickets than they did in the previous 2 where Kohli remained not out with big scores, they lost only 3 wickets and yet just achieved a below par score which was comfortably chased. The difference is that the other batsmen had more balls to showcase some attacking batting.

 

Yes . Dk played better and rcb batters all got a chance 

 

mumbai won cos of bumrah and batting under lights . 

[New guy]

From reddit

 

An often-quoted defense of Virat Kohli is that "he is an anchor who accumulates runs that the other batsmen can play around". The top 10 run-getters for each of the last 5 seasons and their strike rate (in brackets) are the following:

 

Kohli has the slowest/second-slowest strike rate even among the top-10 run getters for each of the last 5 IPLs

 

2020:

1. Rahul (123)
2. Dhawan (145)
3. Warner (135)
4. Iyer (123)
5. Kishan (146)
6. de Kock (141)
7. SKY (145)
8. Padikkal (125)
9. Kohli (121)
10. AB (141)

2021:

1. Gaikwad (136)
2. Faf (138)
3. Rahul (139)
4. Dhawan (125)
5. Maxwell (144)
6. Samson (137)
7. Shaw (159)
8. Agarwal (140)
9. Gill (119)

10. Pant (129)

11. Kohli (119)

2022:

1. Buttler (149)
2. Rahul (135)
3. de Kock (149)
4. Pandya (131)
5. Gill (132)
6. Miller (143)
7. Faf (128)
8. Dhawan (123)
9. Samson (147)

10. Hooda (137)

11. Kohli (116)

2023:

1. Gill (158)
2. Faf (154)
3. Conway (140)
4. Kohli (140)
5. Jaiswal (164)
6. SKY (181)
7. Gaikwad (148)
8. Warner (132)
9. Rinku (150)
10. Kishan (143)

Kohli was tied for second slowest last year, behind a woefully out of form David Warner.

2024 (ongoing):

1. Kohli (142)
2. Parag (158)
3. Gill (152)
4. Samson (158)
5. Sai Sudharsan (129)
6. Klaasen (194)
7. Pooran (170)
8. Sharma (208)
9. Dube (160)
10. Stubbs (193)

Edited April 11 by New guy

[tapandrun]

Every1 would like to play in top 3 in white-ball cricket, and if the task is to play as a T20 accumulator any1 and every1 would be happy take that job.

Any good batter will be able to score runs if they are asked to play as accumulator in t20s, if they play 30-35 balls and scores 40-45 runs, and you are asking other batter to take more risk till you are comfortable hitting yourself any opposition would be happy with that situation and invariably due to scoring pressure either of the batter will have take more risk now and there is a huge chance of getting a wkt. if the batter go was going for the big hits goes out then a newer batters comes in they would take 4/5 balls before they hit their first 4/6 and creating a complex situation of who goes hitting now player who was accumulating  and seeing the ball better or the newer batter, who is still new and would like to access the situation for himself.

 

white-ball cricket has changed a lot but Ind batting is amongst least exciting, they are still year behind other teams and methodology.Thats the reason they score just par or below power scores and ask a week t20 bowling side to defend. Similarly chasing anything above 180 is challenging they are hoping if SKY get them some quick runs.

 

When Kolhi and Rohit were asked to pick-up their t20 games, rather than adding t20 modern day shots they just followed the same way and may be try hitting 1/2 more shots which does not work. Dhoni was in Ind t20i side for over a decade with a SR of below 120 playing at 5/6 you can understand what Ind cricket was doing.

 

Now all Ind t20 batters are T20 accumulators apart from SKY and  Rinku (playing at5/6/7) has no choice but to hit the ball.

Ind lacks T20 batters and power hitters to work around these accumulators as all of them by default nature are accumulators and looking to get to some personal score first then think of hitting  

 

RR VS RCB is a good example of this Kolhi and Faf played more than 100 balls amongst themselves and media/commentators are asking other didnt contribute, others got 20 balls to score off where any1 would take 1/2 ball to to settle in and then go jst after that, they had to go from ball 1 had with higer risk they lost their wkts .

 

Smith and Root can do similar job as Kolhi but they find it hard to get a place in 11, Smith has to play at all the different no.s.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 12 by tapandrun

[IndianRenegade]

Kohli saving India against Pak in MCG has kind of made an already legendary player even more irreproachable. We probably need to take one more T20 WC failure as the old guard age out naturally. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, IndianRenegade said:

Kohli saving India against Pak in MCG has kind of made an already legendary player even more irreproachable. We probably need to take one more T20 WC failure as the old guard age out naturally. 

They have to look at the larger picture. It is not liike we beat Pakistan for the first time. We have thrashed them enough times in world events. Time to beat the New zealanders/Australiians/England in the knock outs.

[Number]

Most of these commentators are scared of world's biggest swarm of flies called Kohli fans littering their social media's mentions and comments sections.

[putrevus]

Nobody is scared , they know Kohli is still the best bet in pressure matches for India unlike some agenda driven fans they know T20 is not IPL and players won't be facing lolipops bowlers.

 

Even during his worst years he still had to carry the team to semifinals.

[jf1gp_1]

12 hours ago, putrevus said:

Nobody is scared , they know Kohli is still the best bet in pressure matches for India unlike some agenda driven fans they know T20 is not IPL and players won't be facing lolipops bowlers.

 

Even during his worst years he still had to carry the team to semifinals.

Do you believe Virat along with Rohit can win us T20 wc ?

[lemsip]

12 hours ago, putrevus said:

Nobody is scared , they know Kohli is still the best bet in pressure matches for India unlike some agenda driven fans they know T20 is not IPL and players won't be facing lolipops bowlers.

 

Time moves on. The fact is that in T20s he has not helped either his club or his country win a single tournament in the last 10+ years.

His style is an undoubted asset in the 50 over game but that is not the world cup coming up.

He is only the "best bet" because the Indian selectors keep selecting older players whose style is no longer the winning formula in the T20 format. This is done at the expense of younger, more fearless batsmen that the domestic tournament IPL throws up. The result is that despite having the leading T20 tournament in the world full of domestic players, India have been an underwhelming T20 side with no accomplishments to show for in the last decade. Given the resources India has and the small number of countries that play international cricket, getting to a few semi finals or knock outs is a minimum requirement not some sort of major accomplishment.

 

Edited April 16 by lemsip