VVS Laxman never played an ODI world cup game

[Gollum]

32 minutes ago, putrevus said:

2017 bowling first was not wrong call at all. SL chased 321 with utmost ease with Umesh,Bumrah and Bhuvi in the line up on the same Oval ground.

Pak not a good chasing team. Finals pressure also makes chasing tougher.

[Ultimate_Game]

19 hours ago, Laaloo said:

That bowling was not weak. The most anyone scored against them chasing was India in the final LOL.

 

Lanka couldn't chase 212 and got bundled out for 123 against them.

 

NZ couldn't chase 208 and got bundled out for 112 against them.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-cup-2002-03-61124/match-schedule-fixtures-and-results

 

 

Imagine thinking a bowling lineup of lee and McGrath is weak.

 

 

All the more reason to bat first against them as chasing against that beastly bowling lineup was a huge ask. Our best bet was to bat first and put a score on the board as anything over 240-250, we weren't chasing against  them, especially in a WC final where the pressure is even higher.

[Gollum]

Aus fielding used to add 40-50 runs extra to the total, still does but other teams have closed the gap. Imagine a team where Ponting isn't the number one fielder. Because they had Symonds who I regard as better than Rhodes, and the MVP in ODI cricket, all time.

[putrevus]

21 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Pak not a good chasing team. Finals pressure also makes chasing tougher.

They bowled out England for 210 in Semifinals and chased that total.

 

 

[Gollum]

Just now, putrevus said:

They bowled out England for 210 in Semifinals and chased that total.

That was a tacky, used pitch. Finals was on a fresh one. 

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

That was a tacky, used pitch. Finals was on a fresh one. 

Still bowling first was not a wrong call. When your bowlers keep getting wickets of no balls you tend to lose the matches.

 

2016 semi and 2017 finals.

Edited September 7, 2024 by putrevus

[Gollum]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Still bowling first was not a wrong call. When your bowlers keep getting wickets of no balls you tend to lose the matches.

 

2016 semi and 2017 finals.

As a Kohli fan, I understand you want to justify that decision. But most here don't share your view. 

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

As a Kohli fan, I understand you want to justify that decision. But most here don't share your view. 

It has got nothing to do with Kohli. It does not matter if anyone shares that views. 

 

Oval was flat pancake and Indian bowlers failed to defend 321  on the same ground.

 

Ashwin not playing in ICC test finals was also the right call against Australia. 

 

 

 

 

[Gollum]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

It has got nothing to do with Kohli. It does not matter if anyone shares that views. 

Everything to do with Kohli.

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Ashwin not playing in ICC test finals was also the right call against Australia. 

Yes, and we saw how wonderfully Umesh Yadav bowled with his 120 kph half trackers. No idea why you brought this here. 

[Norman]

10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

It has got nothing to do with Kohli. It does not matter if anyone shares that views. 

 

Oval was flat pancake and Indian bowlers failed to defend 321  on the same ground.

 

Ashwin not playing in ICC test finals was also the right call against Australia. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you think bowling first in an ICC final on a flat pancake of a wicket was a perfect decision? Now remove Kohli out of the equation and read that once again to see how dumb you sound.

[Trichromatic]

7 hours ago, Gollum said:

Aus bowling attack was halwa though, didn't even play a proper spinner, dew factor was also to our advantage (same venue a year later Pak easily chased 300 down). Our famed batting lineup should have done better.

 

That batting was non-existent after #5.

 

India never had strong batting line up for ODIs because of lower middle order.

 

That's why I consider Dhoni as one of the biggest change in ODI lineup.

 

[putrevus]

14 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Everything to do with Kohli.

Yes, and we saw how wonderfully Umesh Yadav bowled with his 120 kph half trackers. No idea why you brought this here. 

yes we know how many matches Ashwin won in England with his bowling.

[Gollum]

11 minutes ago, Norman said:

 

 

So you think bowling first in an ICC final on a flat pancake of a wicket was a perfect decision? Now remove Kohli out of the equation and read that once again to see how dumb you sound.

That too day match in England, no chance of dew.......almost all day matches in 2019 WC were won by team batting first because pitch used to slow down in 2nd innings.

 

And against poyzzzz who can't handle chasing pressure in big games, then giving them two spinners to feast on after Umesh had terrorized them in the group game with his pacy short pitched stuff. 

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

yes we know how many matches Ashwin won in England with his bowling.

How did Ashwin enter this discussion? And 2023 WTC F captain was Rohit. 

 

You Kohli bhakts are built different. 

[putrevus]

19 minutes ago, Norman said:

 

 

So you think bowling first in an ICC final on a flat pancake of a wicket was a perfect decision? Now remove Kohli out of the equation and read that once again to see how dumb you sound.

Bowling first on pancake pitch was the right call after SL chased 321 on the ground against bowlers.
 

Acting know all after the fact is easiest thing to do.

 

Kohli did not make Bumrah bowl noball  either. 

 

 

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, Gollum said:

How did Ashwin enter this discussion? And 2023 WTC F captain was Rohit. 

 

You Kohli bhakts are built different. 

It was the same ground where India lost another finals under different captain.

 

 

[Laaloo]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

It was different pitch and venue and that factored into Ganguly opting to bowl first which was wrong call.

 

Jason Gillespie was also out injured?Aussies had two bowlers Lee and Mcgrath.

Doesn't matter the pitch. Those two are two of the greatest bowlers ever. It's laughable to think India would have easily scored more than 300 if they batted first when the highest a team scored batting first against Australia was 248.

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Doesn't matter the pitch. Those two are two of the greatest bowlers ever. It's laughable to think India would have easily scored more than 300 if they batted first when the highest a team scored batting first against Australia was 248.

 

We managed 240 against an inferior attack on our home pitch in 2023 finals. And would have scored 300 in 2003 in SA against an ATG team

Edited September 7, 2024 by Lord

[zen]

No point in speculating on 2003 as that Aus team found a way to decimate Asian teams in the final:

 

1999 Pak

2003 Ind

2007 SL

 

All that the fans of these 3 teams can do is devote time to think if X had happened or if y had not happened!

 

 

[Laaloo]

12 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

We managed 240 against an inferior attack on our home pitch in 2023 finals. And would have scored 300 in 2003 in SA against an ATG team

I don't know what's laughable. Thinking that we would have easily scored 300 against them had we batted first in the final or if we batted first, we could have defended 250 LOL