Will Gambhir, Agarkar and their teams be able to identify and give chances to the next lot of Indian strike bowlers ?

[express bowling]

 

 

There are 3 types of pacers ....

 

1)  Pacers who can bowl accurately to top international batsmen and strong teams and hurry them consistently. 

 

Top international pacers belong to this category. 

 

 

2)  Pacers who can bowl accurately to 2nd rung batsmen and weaker teams and pick their wickets. But the moment they bowl to top international batters and strong teams ( in not too helpful conditions ), they lose accuracy as they are put under pressure by attacking them ( usually because they lack zip off the deck, pace and bounce )

 

Domestic legends, who remain sub-par when bowling to top international teams, belong to this category.

 

 

3)  Pacers who can't bowl accurately to 2nd rung batters even. Some of these pacers may graduate to Group 1)  if they put in a lot of effort to get their radar right. But some will fail totally. 

 

Rookie quicks usually belong to this category.

 

 

Many Indian selectors and TMs, over the years or even decades, have not been able to demarcate between Group 1  pacers snd Group 2 pacers at the start of their international careers, till they reach Bumrah or Shami's level after they established themselves in international cricket.

 

Nor have they been able to identify or support the Group 3 quicks who have the potential to graduate to Group 1.

 

We have seen too many mediocre pacers getting chances for Team India because they have performed in domestic cricket and are ahead in the pecking order.

 

The only time lots of high potential pacers got chances and were backed and developed were during Kohli, Arun and Shastri's regime in Test matches  (  they were not good regarding LOI pacer picks )

 

Will we see the new regime identifying the potential strike bowlers for International cricket ??

Edited July 15 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

Category 2 is the socialist category,most loved by politically correct "selectors"

[singhvivek141]

For the BCCI

Category 1 doesn't exist in the current domestic setup, or I being brutal then current domestic setup doesn't encourage category 1. Whoever we get in this category are exceptions who break the norms and is able to sustain themselves.

 

Category 2 is the category which is in abundance in the domestics. Our ex coaches and selectors kinda understand the limitations of this category, but as they aren't aware of how to produce category 1 pacers, they just accept it as the "fate" and promote them.

 

Category 3 They don't even look at it. As this category is rare (not as rare as Category 1), plus it requires a strong amount of work from the coaches, they feel it's just a waste of time and resources. Instead of wasting the energy and money in developing the Category 3, its better to go with Category 2, win some cheap matches here and there, call off the losses as the "bad day in office" and move on.

 

For the teams with strong pace bowling setup, Category 3 is often next in line with Category 1, while Category 2 is used as a replacement or as a stop gap process when Category 1 & 3 bowlers are unavailable.

 

[neel roy]

Category D is the most likely outcome after this Mckinsey Strategic analysis:

 

Gadhesh

Gutkesh

Khujlesh

Dubesh

PandeDesh

 

 

[express bowling]

Looking at Muzarabani bowl in the just concluded series, he is a clear Group 1 pacer.

 

Bowls 133 k to 141 k ... normal Fast-medium pace which is quite common. But the steep bounce, zip off the deck and seam movement that he can generate from 6'8" height, while being very accurate, is quite exceptional.

 

He was troubling Jaiswal, Gill and Samson ... all good quality international batters. 

 

These are the kind of pacers we should look for.

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, neel roy said:

Category D is the most likely outcome after this Mckinsey Strategic analysis:

 

Gadhesh

Gutkesh

Khujlesh

Dubesh

PandeDesh

 

 

Most are category 2

Edited July 15 by express bowling

[NameGoesHere]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Looking at Muzarabani bowl in the just concluded series, he is a clear Group 1 pacer.

 

Bowls 133 k to 141 k ... normal Fast-medium pace which is quite common. But the steep bounce, zip off the deck and seam movement that he can generate from 6'8" height, while being very accurate, is quite exceptional.

 

He was troubling Jaiswal, Gill and Samson ... all good quality international batters. 

 

These are the kind of pacers we should look for.

Ask Shah / BCCI to offer and fast track him, and a few folk like him, to Indian citizenship.   Because why not, plus he’s certainly not going to reach his full potential with the Zimmers.

 

I’m kidding but only half kidding.

 

its been done in the past  in various forms by England and Australia.  So why not us.  This is the world’s most lucrative cricket market anyway. 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 15 by NameGoesHere

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

For the BCCI

Category 1 doesn't exist in the current domestic setup, or I being brutal then current domestic setup doesn't encourage category 1. Whoever we get in this category are exceptions who break the norms and is able to sustain themselves.

 

 

Mayank Yadav and Harshit Rana may turn out to be Category 1 if they can remain fit as well as focused on success. 

 

Early days but they have to keep an eye on Himanshu Chauhan. 

 

 

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Category 3 They don't even look at it. As this category is rare (not as rare as Category 1), plus it requires a strong amount of work from the coaches, they feel it's just a waste of time and resources. Instead of wasting the energy and money in developing the Category 3, its better to go with Category 2, win some cheap matches here and there, call off the losses as the "bad day in office" and move on.

 

 

Kartik Tyagi is a clear Category 3.

 

If he does not get his radar right and does not stay focused, he will fail in domestic cricket even. 

 

If he improves his accuracy, stops changing his action every 6 months and stays focused, he can be a Category 1.

Edited July 15 by express bowling

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Mayank Yafav and Harshit Rana may turn out to be Category 1 if they can remain fit as well as focused on success. 

 

Early days but they have to keep an eye on Himanshu Chauhan. 

 

 

 

 

Kartik Tyagi is a clear Category 3.

 

If he does not get his radar right and does not stay focused, he will fail in domestic cricket even. 

 

If he improves his accuracy, stops changing his action every 6 months and stays focused, he can be a Category 1.

Kartik, Sen, Umran all 3 are in Category 3.

Prasidh was close to Category 1 but suddenly now dropped to Category 3.

[express bowling]

21 minutes ago, NameGoesHere said:

Ask Shah / BCCI to offer and fast track him, and a few folk like him, to Indian citizenship.   Because why not, plus he’s certainly not going to reach his full potential with the Zimmers.

 

I’m kidding but only half kidding.

 

its been done in the past  in various forms by England and Australia.  So why not us.  This is the world’s most lucrative cricket market anyway. 

 

 

Muzarabani is already 27.

 

Too late as far as he is concerned.

Edited July 15 by express bowling

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Kartik, Sen, Umran all 3 are in Category 3.

Prasidh was close to Category 1 but suddenly now dropped to Category 3.

 

Sen is a bit better than Category 3. Accuracy is middling. 

 

But does he have the match awareness to be a Category 1  ?

[Strangering]

Category 1 grooming has to start at U15 levels. Don't kid yourself, there is no Bumrah waiting on the sidelines. 

 

Arshdeep is only 25 so his peak is probably around the time when Bumrah will retire. 

[singhvivek141]

33 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Sen is a bit better than Category 3. Accuracy is middling. 

 

But does he have the match awareness to be a Category 1  ?

I think he has to some extent...he was attempting yorkers atleast till that no ball.

Post that too many suggestions and he started up bowling slower ones..which is not his forte.

 

In his debut game itself, vs Stoinis he bowled 2 good yorkers at the start and killed the game there itself. So he has the ability, just that execution maybe lacking due to being underconfident.

 

 

[tapandrun]

Think this should have been the pool of pacers if batting is not considered (in no specific order) :

Rana

Simrjeet (CSK)

Himanshu

Mayank

Mukesh choudhary

Sen

Mukesh Kumar -- just for t20s as a stop-gap would not like to see Bhumrah been used in 

Akash Deep

Singh

Mohsin --May be if he get his fitness right

Tyagi --may be

Dayal

 

Plenty of resources there are others too 

 

 

[Rightarmfast]

NO

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Kartik Tyagi is a clear Category 3.

 

If he does not get his radar right and does not stay focused, he will fail in domestic cricket even. 

 

If he improves his accuracy, stops changing his action every 6 months and stays focused, he can be a Category 1.

Tyagi is a confused guy,he tends to change his action way too often ,says lot about his confidence

He has got atleast few opportunities what does he display,he displays confusion even about his own action

Muscles need to settle in for one action

[Ultimate_Game]

My expectations are too low at this point. I'll simply be happy when we move on from Avesh in all formats and Siraj in T20s 

 

Ideally we would have bowlers like Harshit, Mohsin Khan, Mayank in the fray but not holding my breath.

[Majestic]

We are a mediocre cricket nation. We are not good enough.

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

We are a mediocre cricket nation. We are not good enough.

 

Why? How? Here we're struggling to fit in all the people in the team - infact we couldn't even get all our choices fit into the 2nd XI which toured Zim, and you come up with this statement 

[cowboysfan]

frnakly from watching the IPL thhe picking are slim,the only one who has some pormise is Harhit.Mayank is too injury prone to be a real option.