Would you trade consistency with trophies for the Indian team?

[deepdynamo]

So, would you be happy with Indian team losing its consistency but winning more trophies ( CT2025 and WT20 2026).

In any case, what has consistency in last 10 years have given us? Just a solitary trophy. Yes, we were unbeaten for 12 years at home and reached all finals and semifinals but overall being consistent is just a tag. Nothing else. 

 

Aus run in last 10 years in test cricket. Highly inconsistent but won 4 trophies in between.

No one talks about them just because they keep on winning a trophy in 2-3 years.

Aus lost twice at home to India
Aus lost twice to India away
Aus lost to SA away
Aus drew twice with Eng away
Aus drew with SL away
Aus drew with WI home

 

But in between they won 2 ODI world cup, 1 T20 world cup and 1 WTC.

 

[Suhaan]

I will always go with trophies but it is not like Aus is loosing left right and center,

They lost to us fighting,but we went down to NZ meekly,surrendering

 

[deepdynamo]

11 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

I will always go with trophies but it is not like Aus is loosing left right and center,

They lost to us fighting,but we went down to NZ meekly,surrendering

 

Yes, meek surrender is not acceptable. 0-3 vs NZ is a big bloat. Its a Pakistan level humiliation.

But if this team can win CT and lose BGT with fight, its a good result.

 

No more consistent but a trophy will compensate it. I would love to see next 3 years with exciting cricket from India where we win some games and lose games as well.
For too long now, we have become too mechanical with robotic consistency. It has given us more sorrow than joy. 
 

[Nikhil_cric]

It's the consistent ones who win trophies 

[Bigg Brother]

2 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

So, would you be happy with Indian team losing its consistency but winning more trophies ( CT2025 and WT20 2026).

In any case, what has consistency in last 10 years have given us? Just a solitary trophy. Yes, we were unbeaten for 12 years at home and reached all finals and semifinals but overall being consistent is just a tag. Nothing else. 

 

Aus run in last 10 years in test cricket. Highly inconsistent but won 4 trophies in between.

No one talks about them just because they keep on winning a trophy in 2-3 years.

Aus lost twice at home to India
Aus lost twice to India away
Aus lost to SA away
Aus drew twice with Eng away
Aus drew with SL away
Aus drew with WI home

 

But in between they won 2 ODI world cup, 1 T20 world cup and 1 WTC.

 

India isn't consistent. LMAO. Winning at home and embarrassing minnows isn't consistency.

[Prabhdeep Singh]

You need to aim high, strive for both.

[vayuu1]

2 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

Yes, meek surrender is not acceptable. 0-3 vs NZ is a big bloat. Its a Pakistan level humiliation.

But if this team can win CT and lose BGT with fight, its a good result.

 

No more consistent but a trophy will compensate it. I would love to see next 3 years with exciting cricket from India where we win some games and lose games as well.
For too long now, we have become too mechanical with robotic consistency. It has given us more sorrow than joy. 
 

That's a big IF TBH, ATM with buddha brigade calling all the shots Every chance of first round exit in CT and 5-0 humiliation,u have *in walking wickets showing attitude,ro-ko-kela plus a woefully out of form Gill and Siraj batting like tailender and bowling filth respectively 

[Ultimate_Game]

You play to win trophies. What's the point of being good & consistent if you can't win? That's like SA team of 90s & 2000s or Indian team of the last decade with Kohli & Rohit at the helm. Trophies any day over everything else.

[deepdynamo]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

It's the consistent ones who win trophies 

 

India was the most consistent team of last decade- unbeaten at home, competitive away and semis and finals of all icc trophies. Can't get more consistent than that. Still just single trophy.

 

In contrast, Aus have not been that consistent. Test record is in first post, underachieved in T20s ( even their sole T20 triumph is the toss world cup in Dubai) and at one stage they were in doldrums in ODI world cup 2023 before they picked it up. Hardly stuff of consistency but end result is 4 trophies in 10 years.

 

Anyday, trophies over so called consistency.

 

Anytime, tournament peaking at right time rather than winning everything but the crucial game.

[tapandrun]

With the amount of cricket going on now and with Franchises T20i leagues popping every other day, do not think any team will be able to field its top side each series or even each match, its not like 10-12 yrs back.

 

You have to pick your series where you would send top team and aspect them to win and there would be some series where you send/play a not so top team where you expect to see a fght put on by players and the program should be to get and create as many top players so that there is proper replacements when needed and more emphasis should be on giving chances to high potential players in those matches.

 

And when it comes to ICC tropies make sure you have the strongest side available and has more chances of winning that trophies.

 

Its okay if they lose but not like 45 Ao in home series being clueless of what to do, having 3 batters in top 4 struggling to get any run for more than a year 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

India was the most consistent team of last decade- unbeaten at home, competitive away and semis and finals of all icc trophies. Can't get more consistent than that. Still just single trophy.

 

In contrast, Aus have not been that consistent. Test record is in first post, underachieved in T20s ( even their sole T20 triumph is the toss world cup in Dubai) and at one stage they were in doldrums in ODI world cup 2023 before they picked it up. Hardly stuff of consistency but end result is 4 trophies in 10 years.

 

Anyday, trophies over so called consistency.

 

Anytime, tournament peaking at right time rather than winning everything but the crucial game.

 

Even that single trophy was thanks to Bumrah and bowlers conjuring up a miracle. SA needed 30 off 30 with 6 wkts in hand. Our batsmen had again let us down with a below par total on that batting paradise. It took our bowlers to win an impossible game.

 

Let's not confuse consistency with choking. We were only consistent during the group stages and when the big games arrived, we (especially the batsmen) were consistent in not showing up. That's not the definition of being consistent but a bully. Beat up teams when there's no pressure and fold like a cheap lawn chair when the stakes are high. And we did the same thing across formats (ODI WCs, CT, T20 WT20s, WTC finals) so it wasn't a one off or limited to a particular format. Our main batters during the time - Kohli, Rohit, KL - were mentally fragile. They struggled to handle pressure the same way they struggle in IPL playoffs.

[deepdynamo]

1 hour ago, Bigg Brother said:

India isn't consistent. LMAO. Winning at home and embarrassing minnows isn't consistency.

 

All semis and finals in last 11 icc trophies ( excpet 2021 T20WC). Thats 10/11 knockouts. No team could achieve that level consistency.

 

Aus didn't qualify for knockout 2022WC, 2024WC, 2014WC, 2021 WTC, 2017 CT. Thats 5/11 they didn't even qualify. But they won 4/6 when they qualifies for knockouts.

 

In Test cricket again, India have been most consistent team before this NZ debacle. Invincible at home, series win in Aus and drawn series vs Eng, SA away. Also brushed aside SL, WI, BD.

 

But I would rather than take Aus  inconsistency than our consistent streak. Just make sure to win the crunch matches.

 

[deepdynamo]

4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Even that single trophy was thanks to Bumrah and bowlers conjuring up a miracle. SA needed 30 off 30 with 6 wkts in hand. Our batsmen had again let us down with a below par total on that batting paradise. It took our bowlers to win an impossible game.

 

Let's not confuse consistency with choking. We were only consistent during the group stages and when the big games arrived, we (especially the batsmen) were consistent in not showing up. That's not the definition of being consistent but a bully. Beat up teams when there's no pressure and fold like a cheap lawn chair when the stakes are high. And we did the same thing across formats (ODI WCs, CT, T20 WT20s, WTC finals) so it wasn't a one off or limited to a particular format. Our main batters during the time - Kohli, Rohit, KL - were mentally fragile. They struggled to handle pressure the same way they struggle in IPL playoffs.

 

Yes, that is why a new model is required. No more passive cricket. No more safe crickter. I like the new t20 team that is shaping up. Hope ODI and Test team follow suit.

 

Also move away from Rohit, kohli and KL in the batting. They were to blame for the last 10 year fiasco. 

[Ultimate_Game]

4 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

Yes, that is why a new model is required. No more passive cricket. No more safe crickter. I like the new t20 team that is shaping up. Hope ODI and Test team follow suit.

 

Also move away from Rohit, kohli and KL in the batting. They were to blame for the last 10 year fiasco. 

 

Kohli, Rohit and KL have held us back for a decade. They are mental midgets who floundered time and again. TBH we should've moved away from them a lot earlier as we ended up wasting the best years of Bumrah and Shami where they received no support from the batsmen.

 

The previous generation of Dhoni, Gambhir, Yuvraj showed up when it mattered and it showed in results - we won 3 ICC tourneys in 6-7 years between 2007 and 2013. But the current gen of Kohli and Rohit didn't step up and failed time and again.

[Nikhil_cric]

31 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

India was the most consistent team of last decade- unbeaten at home, competitive away and semis and finals of all icc trophies. Can't get more consistent than that. Still just single trophy.

 

In contrast, Aus have not been that consistent. Test record is in first post, underachieved in T20s ( even their sole T20 triumph is the toss world cup in Dubai) and at one stage they were in doldrums in ODI world cup 2023 before they picked it up. Hardly stuff of consistency but end result is 4 trophies in 10 years.

 

Anyday, trophies over so called consistency.

 

Anytime, tournament peaking at right time rather than winning everything but the crucial game.

Which format are you talking about?

 

You have to be specific. India were not favourites going into 2019 World Cup. England were.  They were the dominant side in that 4 year cycle. 

[Ultimate_Game]

13 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Which format are you talking about?

 

You have to be specific. India were not favourites going into 2019 World Cup. England were.  They were the dominant side in that 4 year cycle. 

 

But India still lost to NZ in SF - a team they should've beaten. Plus WC2023. India has been the most consistent team over the last 3 WCs - we have lost only 4 games across 3 tourneys and yet have nothing to show for it.

 

I would rather we lose 8 games and have a trophy. Same with Tests. We were the best Test team since 2013 till now and have 0 WTC wins coz our batsmen didn't show up. In T20Is IIRC we've the best record and it finally took a Bumrah masterclass to win one. Point is we've been consistent across all formats but have nothing to show for it for more than a decade. It can't be luck coz we failed across multiple tourneys across formats.

[Nikhil_cric]

17 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

But India still lost to NZ in SF - a team they should've beaten. Plus WC2023. India has been the most consistent team over the last 3 WCs - we have lost only 4 games across 3 tourneys and yet have nothing to show for it.

 

I would rather we lose 8 games and have a trophy. Same with Tests. We were the best Test team since 2013 till now and have 0 WTC wins coz our batsmen didn't show up. In T20Is IIRC we've the best record and it finally took a Bumrah masterclass to win one. Point is we've been consistent across all formats but have nothing to show for it for more than a decade. It can't be luck coz we failed across multiple tourneys across formats.

 

I disagree with this somewhat. We generally have a high floor as an LOI outfit but also a lower ceiling than the best sides

 

Which gives the illusion that we are favourites. 

 

We have obvious weak links in our squads that can be called out well in advance. 

 

Dhoni, DK, 3 spinners etc., lack of #4 in 2019.

 

Now compare that with the English squad of 2019 and especially their first XI. Not a single weak link. 

 

In 2023, yet again we had guys like Thakur, Ashwin, SKY in our squad and the Aussies had just one in Stoinis .

 

Some of us called out the selections of Kohli, Chahal and Jadeja in the World T20 before they proved us right by being crap and unselectable respectively. 

 

It's another matter that we won despite that 

Edited November 7, 2024 by Nikhil_cric

[Austin 3:!6]

Trophy over consistency I would guess. I mean India was the most consistent team in ICC events in last decade but never won a trophy. For example, in CT 2017, WC 2019 or WC 2023 we played best cricket and was the most consistent team. But since we didn't win the trophy, no one remember that.

 

[Ultimate_Game]

15 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

I disagree with this somewhat. We generally have a high floor as an LOI outfit but also a lower ceiling than the best sides

 

Which gives the illusion that we are favourites. 

 

We have obvious weak links in our squads that can be called out well in advance. 

 

Dhoni, DK, 3 spinners etc., lack of #4 in 2019.

 

Now compare that with the English squad of 2019 and especially their first XI. Not a single weak link. 

 

In 2023, yet again we had guys like Thakur, Ashwin, SKY in our squad and the Aussies had just one in Stoinis .

 

Some of us called out the selections of Kohli, Chahal and Jadeja in the World T20 before they proved us right by being crap and unselectable respectively. 

 

It's another matter that we won despite that 

 

By your logic we should've won CT 2017. We lost there as well. As for WC 2023, we also had Bumrah and red hot Shami along with advantage of playing at home. We were hands down the best team for the conditions ;and still we lost. I would say we had no business losing CT 2017 and WC 2023. Shows you that consistency doesn't win tourneys just like SA team of 90s and 2000s didn't win anything.

 

You can slice and dice it any which way but we were better than Pak in CT 2017, we were better than NZ in Wc 2019 and we were better than Aus in WC 2023 in Indian conditions. And yet here we are - a big fat zero trophies.

[deepdynamo]

Gambhir Era has started on a tough note- WTC 25 dreams are all but shattered. The next WTC 25-27 cycle may also not give desired results.

I believe he will do well as a white ball coach.