Trump Presidential Watch (2025-2028)

[kepler37b]

15 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Not sure if serious.

 

Hollywood movies use VFX/CGI from Indian companies. Why would we put our own people out of jobs?

 

McD in India is a franchise. Again run by and employing Indians. 
 

Indian government should also put a tariff on Tollywood. So that innocent Telugu people don’t lose their otherwise smart minds watching those inane movies.

 

We tollywood want to take up the fight against the tariff as our younger brother bollywood is too weak to fight. 

[IndianRenegade]

On 10/2/2025 at 3:57 PM, G_B_ said:

 

Thats a bit bs really.

the BS really is your inability to understand the point I made. But some of the points you made need addresing.

 

On 10/2/2025 at 3:57 PM, G_B_ said:

 

Thats a bit bs really. Not further than the truth of lw in india supporting "palestine". I guarentee every palestinian will support pakistan over india. There was a survey a few years back in which Hinduism was viewed very poorly by those in the west bank and gaza. This is despite Israel providing india with military tech the lw in india loves "palestine".

 

The indian rw support is recent. Its a punt that has yet to play out. The lw love in for palestine has been there decades. The cpm still canvas for votes in kerala in the name of "palestine".

 

Blunt truth is the indian rw are much more self aware than lw. By the same account global lw will choose "azzaadi" in kashmir over india anyday.

 

where have I ever said anything about Palestinians or their love for India? I am under no illusions of Palestinians love India, Hindus, they probably hate our guts. But Palestinian issue is not our issue, whether they get bombed to oblivion, or they make peace is their problem. In the name of supporting Israel, prominent Indian RW accounts started making fun of injured or dead children increasing hatred of Indians. 

 

Indian LW being worse in its own way isn't a defense of Indian RW going out of its way to increase hatred of Indians.

 

On 10/2/2025 at 3:57 PM, G_B_ said:

 

Musk as far as i am aware had several people of  indian origin working in DoGe. The cfo of tesla is a Mr Taneja of indian origin (who took home 140 million last financial year) . This suggests he has no issue hiring indians on merit but feels that colonialism is a crutch which countries need to stop evoking for their failures. While i disagree with his views on the negative impact  colonial occupation,  you cannot term his actions as being racist. He is misinformed. 

 

I never said he is a racist, I just said he enabled Indian hate. Also this is my best friend is a black defense. For an Indian this should not be surprising, people are entirely capable of maintaining a professional, firendly relationship with people of the other caste, religion, & race, but those are the first things ppl look at when it involves a more personal relationship or when viewed as group to reject them, in the worst cases use force to prevent it.

 

Notice how a boer from south africa can tell what it is to be English, notice how he never has questions about the "Englishness" of white immigrants from non english countries. If the world's richest man who owns an AI which could tell him that the most successful immigrant group in England & India which has surpased English enconomy is not using "colonialism as crutch... for their failures", then may be you are giving him too much of a benifit. 

 

Also this is naive view of politics, many politicians & ppl in involved in politics support views they don't actually hold, if it makes them popular or if it helps them financially. Kamala Harris, & Joe Biden (open to public option) supported Medicare for all when it was popular to do so in 2020s just to forget about it once they got power. Trump by all accounts didn't care about LGBTQ, abortion (you can check out his old invterviews on this topic) but took on the most extermist positions once he saw that could make him popular among the base & differentiate him. Elon need not be racist againt Indians, he just views spreading it makes him popular among the group that he shares his x addiction.

 

 

On 10/2/2025 at 3:57 PM, G_B_ said:

Both Kash and Tulsi are practising Hindus in the Trump admin btw.

 

And it mattered how? Literally no prominent republicans defended Vivek when he was attacked by a MAGA pastor Hank Kunneman, it was Ro Khanna & Raja K both dems who came to his defense. 

 

it was washed out Niki haley who remotely said anything when the trump admin resorted to attacks on India on trade, peter navaro used casteist attacks on Indians. Again it was dems who said anything at all when the trump admin attacked indian immigrants who were mostly on h1b.

 

On 10/2/2025 at 3:57 PM, G_B_ said:

As was also the case with bush sr who expanded ties with india. Trump economically harming india is no different from clinton doing the same thing under ctbt and applying heavy sanctions post pokhran. If you go back further india fell foul to nixon. So republican or democrat geo politics has remained volatile between usa and india.

 

are you seriously comparing sanctions that was levied on both India & Pakistan after nuclear tests when India was seen an russian proxy to the current fiasco where India after getting called an ally repeatedly, getting punished on trade & ukr war? The biden admin which was more pro ukr. thought the India relationship was important enough to overlook India not getting fully on board wrt Russia & limitted its displeasure to complaining. 

 

it is extremly disenginous of you to insinuate that a Kamala admin would have imposed a 50% tariff on India & welcomed asim munir to the WH & US from where he would have been allowed to threaten nuclear war on India. Even if Kamala admin wanted preassure India on Russia it wouldn't have done 10% of what this trump admin has done.

 

Anyways my point is India, Indian RW or even LW in a minroity in America. Palestinians for all their noise hardly mattered even for the dems to curtail Israel. Its is the rule of law & checks & balances that protects Indian minority as much as any other minority in the states

 

Indian RW celebrated the muslim ban, then Trump used the same law to target H1B predominantly hurting Indians

 

Indian RW celebrated all the tariffs on china, pakistan, bangladesh... etc circumventing congress, then lo & behold we ended up worse than those countries.

 

Indian RW celebrated musks accqustion of x, now x is fueling anti Indian & Hindu hate.

 

Keep rooting for a side that fundementally looks down on you for your immutable attributes because they also hate the same ppl whom you hate, & cheering on the dismantling of the checks & balances, when they come for you there won't be any.

 

 

Edited October 7, 2025 by IndianRenegade

[IndianRenegade]

Great now we can fight both chinese & american mal with meteors that we pluck from space with our next isro mission. I think thats the only meteors we will ever get. lol

 

Indian stratergy of playing both the Americans & russians seems to have given way to Pakistani playing both the americans & chinese against us.

 

Where is our debate champion? winning more college debates I see... how he is the best diplomat India has got is puzzling to me.  

 

 

[rkt.india]

54 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Great now we can fight both chinese & american mal with meteors that we pluck from space with our next isro mission. I think thats the only meteors we will ever get. lol

 

Indian stratergy of playing both the Americans & russians seems to have given way to Pakistani playing both the americans & chinese against us.

 

Where is our debate champion? winning more college debates I see... how he is the best diplomat India has got is puzzling to me.  

 

 

We have always been on our own with nonalignment policy. If you want favours, you need to favour.

[MechEng]

On 10/2/2025 at 8:30 PM, IndianRenegade said:

This pos is now directly spreading anti India hate. This pos’s platform has been directly responsible for all the hate Indians have been getting & now he has directly started spreading stuff against India.

 

 

 

Someone should ask him if the English ever considered themselves as Indians back then? 

 

Not sure if the US has a backup plan here, but this anti India wave might possible be jeopardizing themselves instead in the long run.

 

Most of them are oblivious to the kind of talent treasure they possess from India, I know coding savants from IIT/BITS Pilani who are working @200k USD salary in MAANG companies for which an American would demand a 500k USD salary instead. 

 

Yes, there are frauds who abuse the loopholes but generalizing all Indians to be scammers will also drive away the creamy layer of Indian computer science talent from entering the US market.

[IndianRenegade]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

We have always been on our own with nonalignment policy. If you want favours, you need to favour.

We were a Soviet stooge who used NAM as cover.

Edited October 7, 2025 by IndianRenegade

[diga]

1 hour ago, IndianRenegade said:

We were a Soviet stooge who used NAM as cover.

Lal Bahadur Shastri's mysterious death and various accounts of some swamiji having hold over Indira Gandhi lends more credence to the soviet stooge theory 

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

We were a Soviet stooge who used NAM as cover.

No, we were not.

[singhvivek141]

5 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

Great now we can fight both chinese & american mal with meteors that we pluck from space with our next isro mission. I think thats the only meteors we will ever get. lol

 

Indian stratergy of playing both the Americans & russians seems to have given way to Pakistani playing both the americans & chinese against us.

 

Where is our debate champion? winning more college debates I see... how he is the best diplomat India has got is puzzling to me.  

 

US will offer F35 as well to Pakistan, once Indo-Russia Su57 deal is signed off...US will follow the same with Pak.
The deal of AMRAAM missiles to Pak was signed post after India-Russia alignment to get 5 more squadrons of S-400 AD (effectively making it 10). This is going to irk US even more, as we're leaving out their weapons for Russian.

We don't have any option but to continue doing whatever we can. Pak isn't getting them before 2027-28, and the way geopolitics is changing, I won't be surprised if something new will come up in between which might change the balance again (e.g. China gulping down Taiwan).

[Lone Wolf]

3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

US will offer F35 as well to Pakistan, once Indo-Russia Su57 deal is signed off...US will follow the same with Pak.
The deal of AMRAAM missiles to Pak was signed post after India-Russia alignment to get 5 more squadrons of S-400 AD (effectively making it 10). This is going to irk US even more, as we're leaving out their weapons for Russian.

We don't have any option but to continue doing whatever we can. Pak isn't getting them before 2027-28, and the way geopolitics is changing, I won't be surprised if something new will come up in between which might change the balance again (e.g. China gulping down Taiwan).

US will not offer F35 to Pak... firstly that Pak can't afford it for even fuel and manauntaince purposes but it won't let F35 anywhere near The HQ9 Variants systems same way it won't do it with an S400 system.

 

Yesterday news came that Pakistan is among the list of countries that will get long range US made A2A BVR missiles on its newer F16s.

 

Edited October 7, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[kepler37b]

7 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

We were a Soviet stooge who used NAM as cover.

We were sympathetic/ leaning towards soviets. Not a stooge. 

 

Proper stooges were the countries of Warsaw pact. East Germany, Hungary,Poland etc.,

 

There is a difference.

Edited October 7, 2025 by kepler37b

[kepler37b]

31 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

US will not offer F35 to Pak... firstly that Pak can't afford it for even fuel and manauntaince purposes but it won't let F35 anywhere near The HQ9 Variants systems same way it won't do it with an S400 system.

 

Yesterday news came that Pakistan is among the list of countries that will get long range US made A2A BVR missiles on its newer F16s.

 

At this point, I think, Modi ji is over estimating our indigenous capability and our army is under estimating it. 

 

The result is that our IAF is neither here, nor there. 

[Lone Wolf]

19 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

At this point, I think, Modi ji is over estimating our indigenous capability and our army is under estimating it. 

 

The result is that our IAF is neither here, nor there. 

The newer F16 Block 2 variant which are indeed 4.5gen are 18 in number.  So basically 1 squadron of PAF.

 

With Astra Mk2 still 2-3 years away at current pace...  GoI has no choice but to go with Russian R37M to bridge the gap in BVR capabilities of both PAF and IAF.

Tbh we should have done it way sooner.   Astra hasn't matured as quickly as we expected and even Mk1 showed shortcomings.

 

 

[singhvivek141]

6 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

US will not offer F35 to Pak... firstly that Pak can't afford it for even fuel and manauntaince purposes but it won't let F35 anywhere near The HQ9 Variants systems same way it won't do it with an S400 system.

 

Yesterday news came that Pakistan is among the list of countries that will get long range US made A2A BVR missiles on its newer F16s.

What you're saying is logical, but the way Trump has behaved in his second tenure. I don't think he will even think twice.
It's all coming down to ego battle, Pentagon may advise against it, but Trump in his stubbornness may sell F35's even on the dirt cheap cost just to threaten India.

Many journalists are mocking Trump now, on leaving Ukraine and NATO during difficult times, and chickening out in Iran as well. Russian influence and Putin's respect is increasing in Europe and US. I am expecting some erratic step from him soon.

[Lone Wolf]

7 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

It's all coming down to ego battle, Pentagon may advise against it, but Trump in his stubbornness may sell F35's even on the dirt cheap cost just to threaten India.

India isn't that important to risk giving Chinese first hand stealth tech.  Trump is a puppet of deep State and American MIC in the end.  He cannot unilaterally just lose his sh*t without any accountability.

 

US basically blocked Chinese from any assist in reparing damaged F16 & C130 hangars and airfields so that there isn't any scope of theft left.

F35 doesn't even comes in the picture when it comes to Pakistan.

 

Pakistan will only get J35's which will be integrated with their SAAB AWACS as a special favour by Americans.

Maybe even Patriot Missile defence systems if they really want to put more pressure on India 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

10 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

India isn't that important to risk giving Chinese first hand stealth tech.  Trump is a puppet of deep State and American MIC in the end.  He cannot unilaterally just lose his sh*t without any accountability.

 

US basically blocked Chinese from any assist in reparing damaged F16 & C130 hangars and airfields so that there isn't any scope of theft left.

F35 doesn't even comes in the picture when it comes to Pakistan.

 

Pakistan will only get J35's which will be integrated with their SAAB AWACS as a special favour by Americans.

Maybe even Patriot Missile defence systems if they really want to put more pressure on India 

 

 

 

Pakistan isnt going to give common base to both US & China.

 

They will propose multiple bases to both, I wont be surprised it US even send their technicians and armed guards to defend F35 and other military hardware.

 

It was understood widely that Nur Khan had US presence or if I shall say US control. Now theyre offering even Pasni port to US. So, Pak will sellout each and every piece of their land to US (and China) just to challenge India.

 

Secondly, US having bases and stronger presence in Pakistan will help them keeping an eye not only on India..but also on Afg, China & Central Asian countries where Russia is trying to regain its lost influence.

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Pakistan isnt going to give common base to both US & China.

 

They will propose multiple bases to both, I wont be surprised it US even send their technicians and armed guards to defend F35 and other military hardware.

 

It was understood widely that Nur Khan had US presence or if I shall say US control. Now theyre offering even Pasni port to US. So, Pak will sellout each and every piece of their land to US (and China) just to challenge India.

 

Secondly, US having bases and stronger presence in Pakistan will help them keeping an eye not only on India..but also on Afg, China & Central Asian countries where Russia is trying to regain its lost influence.

US already has stronger presence in Pakistan comparatively to China.

I agree that US has defacto control of all of Pak bases outside of PoK (Skardu, Karakoram route)

 

But F35 is not something they will just hand out to anyone.  Pakistan for years has known that US won't sell its advanced F16 variants nor their other 4.5 gen aircrafts.  Hence they shifted to Chinese J10c as their advanced 4.5 gen option

 

As of now PAF has F16 Block 52s since 2008-10.  All of their 70 F16 are of different variants... And fully compatible to upcoming extended 

AIM 120-C5 BVR missiles

Block52's are the best they got.

 

As of now US first has to supply them more sophisticated best 4.5 gen fighter on the planet in F16 Block 70/72 with C8 version of AIM BVR missiles which would dramatically overpower PAF in an instant.  If they do that only then F35 will be in consideration in next decade.

 

So far AIM 120-C8 variant is under restriction for even close allies but that can change obviously if Pakistan is completely on the mat.

 

Btw another US puppet is buying J10c aircrafts looks like.

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[G_B_]

India will be forced and should go with r37m. As i keep saying develop astra varients alongside it. Mki has much higher carrying capacity than f16 or jf17. 

 

Given geography of the area bvr or 300km seems to be a max for india pak conflict.

[Lone Wolf]

@singhvivek141 my bad US is actually supplying them their most advanced version C-8/D variant.

This is massive indeed.

PAF would have now substantial edge over us in BVR capabilities.

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, G_B_ said:

India will be forced and should go with r37m. As i keep saying develop astra varients alongside it. Mki has much higher carrying capacity than f16 or jf17. 

 

Given geography of the area bvr or 300km seems to be a max for india pak conflict.

R37 with Indian Aesa seeker will be deadly indeed. 

PAF perhaps already has AIM-120 C8/D thanks to all those emergency cargo planes at Nur Khan.

The Raytheon supply will perhaps begin around 2028.

 

We should look to fast track to integrate R37M with our MKI fleet around the same timeframe.

Edited October 8, 2025 by Lone Wolf