BREAKING NEWS: Gukesh beats Ding in final game (with black) to become 18th undisputed world chess champion, also youngest ever

[Gollum]

Just now, MechEng said:

 

Wondering whether chess in its original form during Mauryan is the same game as it is played today. It will be even more interesting to see how did the chessboard look like, did it have lots of colour and art, did the king and queen looked like actual kings and queen from that era. Must be surely different from the minimalistic European black and white design.

Chess in its closest form to today originated in Gupta empire. 

 

I can answer your questions but will need to do some digging. Have explored these questions some 10-12 years back, very enlightening topic. 

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, MechEng said:

 

I'd still believe that you will find chess players who are good at classical game but are uncomfortable with the fast paced approach of blitz

Classical chess is like mathematics, a search for truth.

 

Blitz is a simple question, where game is against the clock instead of opponent. Question asked is what is 1+1? In a hurry to answer one side says 3, other says 4, 3 wins because closer to the truth. In reality both nonsense, unfit to be discussed.

 

Rapid I can still understand having its merits. Blitz is an assault on human intelligence. Bullet is a crime against humanity. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Gollum

[MechEng]

6 hours ago, Gollum said:

Soviet influence. Nothing to do with Persia. Chess in Soviet times was like basketball for Americans. 

 

Btw Iran has many strong GMs, and women players. But most are emigrating to Europe, NA to escape the mullah regime. 

 

I'm not pro Russia type person but I do have some affinity for Soviet culture in general. Lots of great physics books have come from there, and the chess talent is well known.

 

Besides brains, Russians have no shortage of brawns. Superhuman strength these guys possess.

[Gollum]

5 minutes ago, MechEng said:

 

I'm not pro Russia type person but I do have some affinity for Soviet culture in general. Lots of great physics books have come from there, and the chess talent is well known.

 

Besides brains, Russians have no shortage of brawns. Superhuman strength these guys possess.

Going toe to toe with USA in all disciplines (academia, space, tech, sports, cultural influence, military) for 50 years is no joke....modern China doesn't even come close. USSR was a beast. And they had better colonial legacy, look at the difference between Muslim majority Central Asian countries, Azerbaijan and contrast with Islamic countries where USA played its game. Who liberated whom? Where are women doing better? 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Gollum

[Gollum]

@MechEng most kickass anthem as well

 

 

[MechEng]

9 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Classical chess is like mathematics, a search for truth.

 

Blitz is a simple question, where game is against the clock instead of opponent. Question asked is what is 1+1? In a hurry to answer one side says 3, other says 4, 3 wins because closer to the truth. In reality both nonsense, unfit to be discussed.

 

Rapid I can still understand having its merits. Blitz is an assault on human intelligence. Bullet is a crime against humanity. 

 

Bullet I understand is violence against your mind. Blitz is more like HIIT, it may give a different kind of satisfaction, but maybe not the same as that of marathon which is probably like classical chess.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, MechEng said:

 

Bullet I understand is violence against your mind. Blitz is more like HIIT, it may give a different kind of satisfaction, but maybe not the same as that of marathon which is probably like classical chess.

 

more like T20 v Tests. Maxwell or Buttler will never regarded as highly as Root/Smith

[The Hound]

 

 

Thala Inspiring Champions always 

[Gollum]

3 minutes ago, The Hound said:

 

 

Thala Inspiring Champions always 

I see lot of similarity between Gukesh and Djokovic. 

[MechEng]

48 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Going toe to toe with USA in all disciplines (academia, space, tech, sports, cultural influence, military) for 50 years is no joke....modern China doesn't even come close. USSR was a beast. And they had better colonial legacy, look at the difference between Muslim majority Central Asian countries, Azerbaijan and contrast with Islamic countries where USA played its game. Who liberated whom? Where are women doing better? 

 

I remember watching a documentary from 1990 when the Soviet Union collapsed, that's when I saw the most obnoxious side of 'murica. They subjected Russians to capitalist shock therapy which harmed their economy more. The vitriol towards communists was nonsensical.

 

Russians cannot match American art, entertainment, business intellect, but they are not as entitled as them albeit they may come across as too cold and serious.

Edited December 13, 2024 by MechEng

[MechEng]

40 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

more like T20 v Tests. Maxwell or Buttler will never regarded as highly as Root/Smith

 

That is OK, but who will win the World Cup? It's the likes of Buttler who can do the job better than Smith. Regard kare ya na kare, tuk tuk batsmen don't win world cups these days.

[Lord]

2 hours ago, The Hound said:

 

 

Thala Inspiring Champions always 

 

[The Hound]

Speaking of Russian athletes, they're probably the most gifted combat athletes in the world.

They got many fighters who can be considered in GOAT mixed martial artists category... Fedor Emelianenko is the most influential MMA star OAT. Khabib retired as a champion with a perfect 29-0 record. Islam Makhachev is still active with a 26-1 record and two of Khabib's cousins have also made inroads. 

Edited December 14, 2024 by The Hound

[MechEng]

@Gollum one thing I like about chess is that it doesn't have Pakistan and Bangladesh in it. The game is clean and without any political noise.

[coffee_rules]

Not sure if this was posted earlier, can someone tell if this is fake? It seems like how I play chess!!

 

 

[neel roy]

On 12/12/2024 at 1:37 PM, Gollum said:

The emotional moment that 18-year-old Gukesh Dommaraju became the 18th world chess champion pic.twitter.com/jRIZrYeyCF

— Chess.com (@chesscom) December 12, 2024

When RF2 was played by Ding, I thought it was being done by Tania and Sagar in the chessbase india love stream just as a move. then i saw the right panel ( actual live feed) rook move to RF2.I really couldn't believe it and I refreshed the youtube screen. a person with ELO of 1200 can spot that mistake.. Gukesh is nearing 2800.the biggest single blunder in chess history maybe after G6 which Anand played against Carlsen in 2013.. even i couldn't believe Anand would do that blunder.. anyways i m overjoyed.

Edited December 14, 2024 by neel roy

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, neel roy said:

When RF2 was played by Ding, I thought it was being done by Tania and Sagar in the chessbase india love stream just as a move. then i saw the right panel ( actual live feed) rook move to RF2.I really couldn't believe it and I refreshed the youtube screen. a person with ELO of 1200 can spot that mistake.. Gukesh is nearing 2800.the biggest single blunder in chess history maybe after G6 which Anand played against Carlsen in 2013.. even i couldn't believe Anand would do that blunder.. anyways i m overjoyed.

2014 you mean, it was double blunder by both Carlsen and Anand, but Anand made the later blunder, so got punished. As a popular saying goes, the winner is one who makes the next to last mistake. 

[neel roy]

30 minutes ago, Gollum said:

2014 you mean, it was double blunder by both Carlsen and Anand, but Anand made the later blunder, so got punished. As a popular saying goes, the winner is one who makes the next to last mistake. 

The only difference between Anand and Gukesh was, Gukesh paused for few seconds.. wasnt on auto pilot.. for some reason Anand had all the time in the world but instantly made the blunder.. he could have paused for a sfew seconds and he might have won the yes 2014 WC

[Gollum]

53 minutes ago, neel roy said:

The only difference between Anand and Gukesh was, Gukesh paused for few seconds.. wasnt on auto pilot.. for some reason Anand had all the time in the world but instantly made the blunder.. he could have paused for a sfew seconds and he might have won the yes 2014 WC

Yes, that loss haunts me till date. Very painful one. Took some 10-11 seconds to rush to that move 

 

Anyway he was too old by then, and was up against peak Carlsen, aura also matters. Ding doesn't come close to the 2012-14 version of Carlsen, nor even the weakest version of post 2009 Nanjing MC.

Edited December 14, 2024 by Gollum

[deathmonger]

On 12/13/2024 at 10:02 PM, Gollum said:

Going toe to toe with USA in all disciplines (academia, space, tech, sports, cultural influence, military) for 50 years is no joke....modern China doesn't even come close. USSR was a beast. And they had better colonial legacy, look at the difference between Muslim majority Central Asian countries, Azerbaijan and contrast with Islamic countries where USA played its game. Who liberated whom? Where are women doing better? 

Russians were very good till 50s-60s. Kruschev/Brezhnev eras they lost steam.

 

First in the space race. Also early days of movies, Soviets were very prominent.

Edited December 14, 2024 by deathmonger