Operation sindoor

[coffee_rules]

Ideally such interviews cause more harm to our narrative. Why they were down on May 7th and not on 10th is because … 
 

 

[sandeep]

On 5/30/2025 at 9:07 AM, MechEng said:

@sandeep there is such strong desperation to prove that Pak downed 5-7 jets that they are trying to extract names of deceased pilots from Bharat Rakshak. Also some gora youtubers are putting out complex theories as an "evidence".

 

Agar proof hota, they wouldn't have had to work this hard 

Indian CDS once again officially accepted that we lost jets. I dont know why folks are so eager to buy into and peddle BS maximalist claims.  

 

We dont need to lie to point out that India dominated and kick PakMil butt.

[sandeep]

On 5/30/2025 at 9:04 AM, coffee_rules said:

In India, there is no such law against bias towards Pakistanis. Why does that surprise you? In US/West, Global companies like MxD, BK , STarbucks have been banned to work with Russia. I am pretty sure, if your company hires Russian contact workers, you are entitled to protest and ghanta farak padta hain on your work prospects. 

Even in absence of such law, I highly doubt a corporate employee sitting in India, is making demands of team structure and refusing to work with overseas teams if they are of Pak Origin.

 

I work with Ind-based offshore teams all the time, the power equation runs the opposite way.   

 

Highly skeptical is putting it mildly.  

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

 

exactly.

 

but chest-thumpers resort to lying etc unnecessarily.

 

Its one thing to delay/refuse acknowledging losses. Its quite another to peddle BS in that vein. 

 

 

[sandeep]

4 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

He got it. But I still don't see the need to do this interview. And also the lesson learnt. 

 

 

 

CDS is clearly not welltrained in the art of the 30 second soundbyte.  Thats understandable, but given the importance of the issue, he should have been better practiced before expressing his opinion on live TV.

 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

 

[Trichromatic]

3 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Pretty dumb if doctrine cause our jets fall.

 

 

Their expectation was that Pak army will cheer them

[Vickydev]

For some reason western media has been obsessed with our lost jets from Day 1. 

[MechEng]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

 

CDS is clearly not welltrained in the art of the 30 second soundbyte.  Thats understandable, but given the importance of the issue, he should have been better practiced before expressing his opinion on live TV.

 

 

 

 

That isn't his job to be frank.

 

In all honesty, the whole narrative warfare is like consuming empty calories, they give brief satisfaction but doesn't help with actual nutrition and hunger fulfillment.

[MechEng]

@All those who say that we should have bombed their AWACS before attacking terror camps need to understand that if India had done this it would have made them appear as military aggressors globally.

 

Instead, bombing terror infra first was given full support by all global leaders except China/Azerbaijan/Turkiye. US too fully supported India until one of their F16s got destroyed at Bholari.

 

Optically this makes India look like a nation that prioritizes peace, growth and development, and will only use force to counter terrorism. Otherwise going by traditional war strategy all will still argue that the air defense should have been attacked first before hitting terror infra.

 

However, now it seems that any form of terrorism will be seen as an act of war going forwards. Let's see.

Edited May 31, 2025 by MechEng

[Prabhdeep Singh]

As per Wikipedia:

 

1 Indian Air Force Officer died according to India:

 

6 Pakistan Air force personnel died according to Pakistan:

 

Obviously it is not clear in what circumstances the deaths occured, possible attacks on airbases or in flights.

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

Aditya Raj asking right questions... But Lodu MSM should ask for accountability from MeA to MIB .. they are the actual culprits and freeloaders.  Need a total revamp there.   No boomers allowed.

 

[Lone Wolf]

28 minutes ago, MechEng said:

All those who say that we should have bombed their AWACS before attacking terror camps need to understand that if India had done this it would have made them appear as military aggressors globally.

We were called aggressors regardless.  When you violate airspace of another country and launch Missiles deep into the enemy country.. it is act of aggression.

Pakistan will cry victim as it is a smaller/weaker country.  So narrative wise they will always have victim card.

 

 

Remember Pakistan struck first when Pahalgam occured.  We had every right to retaliate including their military assets and Pak Fouj.

 

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[coffee_rules]

4 hours ago, sandeep said:

Even in absence of such law, I highly doubt a corporate employee sitting in India, is making demands of team structure and refusing to work with overseas teams if they are of Pak Origin.

 

I work with Ind-based offshore teams all the time, the power equation runs the opposite way.   

 

Highly skeptical is putting it mildly.  

We work with Chinese developers who are employees of same company. I used to notice one guy joining on WebEx with a Huawei.com email adress. I objected to my mgr and even reported to HR. He was on contract and used some kind Huawei ISP , claimed by him. But he was taken out. This is not out of the ordinary. 

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, Vickydev said:

For some reason western media has been obsessed with our lost jets from Day 1. 

Obviously, it has global implications of weaponry manufactured by US, China , France, and Russia. Nobody wants to lose out on their MIC getting a F rating

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

We work with Chinese developers who are employees of same company. I used to notice one guy joining on WebEx with a Huawei.com email adress. I objected to my mgr and even reported to HR. He was on contract and used some kind Huawei ISP , claimed by him. But he was taken out. This is not out of the ordinary. 

That's totally different, its based on a specific action he committed, not his ethnicity. Come on now, lets not be silly about this.

[sandeep]

5 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Aditya Raj asking right questions... But Lodu MSM should ask for accountability from MeA to MIB .. they are the actual culprits and freeloaders.  Need a total revamp there.   No boomers allowed.

 

fair points made.

[sandeep]

5 hours ago, MechEng said:

@All those who say that we should have bombed their AWACS before attacking terror camps need to understand that if India had done this it would have made them appear as military aggressors globally.

 

Instead, bombing terror infra first was given full support by all global leaders except China/Azerbaijan/Turkiye. US too fully supported India until one of their F16s got destroyed at Bholari.

 

Optically this makes India look like a nation that prioritizes peace, growth and development, and will only use force to counter terrorism. Otherwise going by traditional war strategy all will still argue that the air defense should have been attacked first before hitting terror infra.

 

However, now it seems that any form of terrorism will be seen as an act of war going forwards. Let's see.

yep, it might be militarily 'silly' to not attack ADS, but strategically and optically it was the right call. Yes, it led to losing a few jets - but that is also because the operational tactics weren't good enough to manage the risk - credit to PAF they used the AWACS to network-target well beyond the range that IAF was expecting - its credit to them, and demerits to our guys - who exposed a chink in tactics that PAF fully utilized. Good that they learnt from it. **** happens.  Overall they did well.  

[ravishingravi]

In a warfare, defender has a strategic advantage to hold their position and hurt you. Defender's goal is to cause max deterrence. 

[ravishingravi]