Unreal hate campaign/PR against Bumrah: does India deserve mavericks?

[jalebi_bhai]

Just now, Gollum said:

I don't understand what preference? Do fielders catch better when Bumrah is the bowler? Are more DRS reviews reserved for Bumrah? Is Bumrah brought back only to clean the tail?

 

Couple of guys showed stats here, where Bumrah's workload is higher than even Siraj's in recent years, despite lesser number of innings. A strike bowler like him is made to bowl 20-25 overs a day....any problem for the captain, he closes his eyes and gives the ball to Bumrah. A Ferrari being handled like a truck in BGT is the reason we are here, where Bumrah's workload has to be managed from now on. Not preference, straight up abuse bolo where this man's physical and mental limits were tested to breaking point. 

 

Being given the more conducive bowling end or the ball when it is in a more potent condition.

 

Basically, giving him every edge we can while the rest have to work things around. 

[jalebi_bhai]

3 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

I don't think this is a valid analogy.

 

My approach would be to find out what can be done to raise the others' performance in his presence. 

 

The point I was making is that Bumrah is given every edge he needs while the rest have to do the donkey work.

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 minute ago, jalebi_bhai said:

 

The point I was making is that Bumrah is given every edge he needs while the rest have to do the donkey work.

He has done a lot of donkey work too.  Ask RoSha.

 

There's a lot of statistical digging to do to optimize his contribution and that of the others in his presence. Without vilification. 

[jalebi_bhai]

ICF really confounds me sometimes.

 

On one hand people blow a fuse when RoKo get any sort of preferential treatment. 

 

But when it comes to Bumrah, there are plenty of excuses going around. People are more than willing to justify 'Feed the King to starve the subjects' type of logic.

[jalebi_bhai]

3 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

He has done a lot of donkey work too.  Ask RoSha.

 

There's a lot of statistical digging to do to optimize his contribution and that of the others in his presence. Without vilification. 

 

One series of over-exertion. Granted, it was ill advised from Rohit, who was desperately trying to save his Test career.

 

Otherwise Bumrah's workload has been well managed. He skipped a lot of home series early on in his test career as Umesh-Shami-Ishant were brilliant at home.

[vvvslaxman]

15 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

ICF really confounds me sometimes.

 

On one hand people blow a fuse when RoKo get any sort of preferential treatment. 

 

But when it comes to Bumrah, there are plenty of excuses going around. People are more than willing to justify 'Feed the King to starve the subjects' type of logic.

 

Kohli was suckign for 5 years. Bumrah never sucked. Bowlers going missing occasionally happens. How come HAzlewood/STarc/Cummins could not defend 326 against a rookie team, or remove to injured players Ashwin/Vihari at the SCG.  They are allowed to go missing  from time to time. If you say Bumrah average goes from 19 to 30 in 5 years everyone will criticize him as well. That is what happened with Rohit/Kohli. He is a strike bowler. Not a work horse. India used him like a workhorse and strike bowler at the old trafford. He bowled 33 overs. Kamboj bowled 16 overs.

[Gollum]

32 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

 

Being given the more conducive bowling end or the ball when it is in a more potent condition.

 

Basically, giving him every edge we can while the rest have to work things around. 

But that must have been true when Steyn-Morkel were bowling, or McGrath-Gillespie, Ambrose-Walsh, Bond-Tuffey. 

 

I don't remember how it was when Bumrah and Shami bowled together, because those two were closer in strength before 2023. 

Edited August 8, 2025 by Gollum

[putrevus]

34 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

 

The point I was making is that Bumrah is given every edge he needs while the rest have to do the donkey work.

Yet some people feel Bumrah is beyond any criticism and some even feel India should be thanking that he is playing matches for them.

[Serpico]

1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said:

ICF really confounds me sometimes.

 

On one hand people blow a fuse when RoKo get any sort of preferential treatment. 

 

But when it comes to Bumrah, there are plenty of excuses going around. People are more than willing to justify 'Feed the King to starve the subjects' type of logic.

You still haven't given a single example of this preferential treatment? He bowls as many overs or more than other pacers, he bowls in all phases to batsmen, he bowls with both new and old ball, he is always ready to talk if other bowlers want an advice so what is the supposed preferential treatment here? 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Serpico said:

You still haven't given a single example of this preferential treatment? He bowls as many overs or more than other pacers, he bowls in all phases to batsmen, he bowls with both new and old ball, he is always ready to talk if other bowlers want an advice so what is the supposed preferential treatment here? 

 

Statistics of Ishant sharma and Shami get better whenever they played with Bumrah. It is nonsense that people  suggest you get some "special overs" because you are the best bowler in the team.  Siraj  case is an anamoly.  Next theory will be Akash deep performance suffers whenever he bowls with Prasidh krishna. 

[Serpico]

57 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Yet some people feel Bumrah is beyond any criticism and some even feel India should be thanking that he is playing matches for them.

Criticism has to be constructive though. Anyone can pick silly correlations to match their biases. Out of 14 SENA centuries of Virat, India only won 2 matches. In fact India won more matches in SENA when Virat got out less than 50 than when he scored 50+. Does this mean even in his peak, Virat's runs were hurting the team? Will you say that India would have won more if Viart was never selected into national team? Its just a stupid correlation. 

 

If you can actually point out what Bumrah's preferential treatment was and how it hurt the team, we can have a discussion

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Criticism has to be constructive though. Anyone can pick silly correlations to match their biases. Out of 14 SENA centuries of Virat, India only won 2 matches. In fact India won more matches in SENA when Virat got out less than 50 than when he scored 50+. Does this mean even in his peak, Virat's runs were hurting the team? Will you say that India would have won more if Viart was never selected into national team? Its just a stupid correlation. 

 

If you can actually point out what Bumrah's preferential treatment was and how it hurt the team, we can have a discussion

I never said he got any preferential treatment.But I don't think it is conspiracy to criticize him. He has come up short many times and it is not wrong to point it out.

 

Nobody is against him.

[Serpico]

Just now, putrevus said:

I never said he got any preferential treatment.But I don't think it is conspiracy to criticize him. He has come up short many times and it is not wrong to point it out.

 

Nobody is against him.

Uh did you actually read the thread? There were several threads criticizing Bumrah's actual failures. This thread is specifically about the narrative of how him being in the team is hurting other bowlers performance. So unless you too subscribe to that theory, you might wnat to word your comments differently?

 

I'm not against pointing out Bumrah's actual failures. He choked royally in the first WTC final. His tour to Nz was a disaster. In general he has never been good against Nz. He didn't live up his reputation in 2019 wc and 2021 wt20. All of these are valid criticisms that has been discussed multiple times. But saying that India won 2 tests because Bumrah wasn't there or Siraj failed in three tests because he's sharing the ball with Bumrah is a stupid narrative. 

[AKane]

 I mean 5th test at Birmingham 2022 - Bumrah and Shami leading attack, Siraj and Thakur bowlers 3 and 4. 378 to win, 300 for 3, Bairstow and Root batting and England win by 7 wkts. Series is 2-2.

 

Again 5th test at Oval 2025 - Siraj, Akashdeep and Prasidh the bowlers, 374 to win, 300 for 3, Brooks and Root batting and India win by 6 runs. Series is 2-2.

 

The parallels are eerie and that is why people are reacting......no way to sugar coat it, these are facts and Bumrah fans (and Shami fans) and all of us have to accept it.

 

Edited August 8, 2025 by AKane

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, AKane said:

 I mean 5th test at Birmingham 2022 - Bumrah and Shami leading attack, Siraj and Thakur bowlers 3 and 4. 378 to win, 300 for 3, Bairstow and Root batting and England win by 7 wkts. Series is 2-2.

 

Again 5th test at Oval 2025 - Siraj, Akashdeep and Prasidh the bowlers, 374 to win, 300 for 3, Brooks and Root batting and India win by 6 runs. Series is 2-2.

 

The parallels are eerie and that is why people are reacting......no way to sugar coat it, these are facts and Bumrah fans (and Shami fans) and all of us have to accept it.

 

DIfferent conditions. 2022 Siraj was absolutely butchered by England on that road. Same way first test it was remotely bowler friendly.  ONly because of our tail we couldn't put an above par score. Last test there was significant lateral movement with ball. Match would not have gone that far with Bumrah.

[Lord]

1 hour ago, AKane said:

 I mean 5th test at Birmingham 2022 - Bumrah and Shami leading attack, Siraj and Thakur bowlers 3 and 4. 378 to win, 300 for 3, Bairstow and Root batting and England win by 7 wkts. Series is 2-2.

 

Again 5th test at Oval 2025 - Siraj, Akashdeep and Prasidh the bowlers, 374 to win, 300 for 3, Brooks and Root batting and India win by 6 runs. Series is 2-2.

 

The parallels are eerie and that is why people are reacting......no way to sugar coat it, these are facts and Bumrah fans (and Shami fans) and all of us have to accept it.

 

so Prasidh >> Bumrah

[AKane]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

2022 Siraj was absolutely butchered by England on that road.

That is what some people say in that Siraj without Bumrah bowls differently.

 

16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Match would not have gone that far with Bumrah.

woulda..... coulda..... shoulda. I mean ok but it is still woulda.

[BacktoCricaddict]

26 minutes ago, AKane said:

That is what some people say in that Siraj without Bumrah bowls differently.

 

But that's not on Bumrah. That's on Siraj, unless TM is asking him to do something different when Bumrah is playing.

Edited August 8, 2025 by BacktoCricaddict

[AKane]

11 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

But that's not on Bumrah. That's no Siraj, unless TM is asking him to do something different when Bumrah is playing.

Well true but for example in the 5th test at Birmingham where Siraj bowled badly in 2022 with Bumrah and Shami leading the attack, Siraj bowled his first over in the first inning at over 15 and then second over in over 23. That affects a young fast bowler.... mentally. Bumrah and Shami bowled 21 of the first 22 overs. BTW Thakur bowled his first over in over 38.

 

Here Siraj is given the new ball and is the man.

Edited August 8, 2025 by AKane

[vvvslaxman]

20 minutes ago, AKane said:

That is what some people say in that Siraj without Bumrah bowls differently.

 

woulda..... coulda..... shoulda. I mean ok but it is still woulda.

 

That is nonsense frankly. How can one bowl differntly with rpesence of someone else lol HOw come Siraj took 6 wickets when he bowled SA out for 55 with Bumrah?