Is India's foreign policy flawed or is India's growth causing rivals / adversaries / regional hegemons to all conspire against India ?

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, IndianRenegade said:

well it is but the world is complicated now.

 

The War in Ukraine is kind of existantial for Europe, they think if Putin isn't stopped in Ukraine he will keep pushing the envelope. They won't get into another cold war with China unless this issue is resolved. 

 

India hasn't commited to a military alliance in QUAD, haven't bought into the american military ecosystem. Essentially means India is shaping to be a another China without commiting to come into the US fold. Now why would US aid India's rise when India isn't commiting to its alliance?

 

Our EAM going around lecturing everyone is kind of giving the game away, US kept telling India to fall in line, get its weapons. EAM kept repeating strategic independence, Indian problem is its isn't playing the game well enough. Pakistan kept stringing US along getting their money while claiming to fight terrorists, while providing safe haven to them. It took OBL capture for the US to finally lose interest & realize India is the ally it needs to counter China.

 

India needs to keep stringing US along until it can build a manufacturing base, laser eyes is more concerned about youtube shorts & insta reels. Two things have come at a wrong time for India, Russian-Ukraine war, is accelerating US push for India to chose a side. AI, it means US companies aren't as depenendent on Indian services. 

 

India must act & act quickly, privot to manufacturing at a war footing. Secure Oil & Minerals, bide its time wrt to US. 

Oil is the main thing man. India can’t buy oil in the open market compared to what Russian is offering. Our economy is a toast if we do that. Manufacturing is coming to India whether someone likes it or not. Indian middle class is growing and has strong demand for iPhone and other luxury items. If you are a market companies will come. Apple will move manufacturing. US can put tariffs but it will hurt them long term. U.S. will loose partners in the region. India wants to be partner not an ally or vassal state.India is done stringing along for long. US keep the khalistanis and other elements to stoke unrest in India and wants India ? How does that work ? India doesn’t want seat at the table India is the table. 

Edited August 12, 2025 by gattaca

[pkmmamks]

Jaihankar ji ki aankhein check karwa lo. Aise hi faltoo mein lal dikhti hai. Ek bhi desh ke saath relation theek nahi hai.

 

Nepal Bdesh Lanka sab pel rahe hain

[kepler37b]

20 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nope they want India to be a subservient vassal state.. like So Ko, Japan and most pathetic of them all Philippines.

First thing on the wishlist was India to be the next Ukraine for China.

 

India made it seem they were willing to play ball but the deep state saw through it eventually that India will never compromise and Modi isn't as Pro West as they thought he would be when Deep State orchestrated Regime change and created anti establishment momentum through Anna protests and Kejruddin.

 

There is no Counter balance thing on play.  Quad never became a military alliance for a reason.  India was always called the weakest link in the Quad as we weren't willing to do anything beyond theatrics.

 

The deep state simply wants the interests of America to be advanced. 

 

They will not apply vassal state logic to India. We are TOO big and complex.

 

The example of Korea is lopsided. The South Koreans themselves agreed to be a vassal as a protection against Aggressive North. 

 

Japanese are an interesting case. Post WW2 they have de-militiarized and were good with American soldier on their shores as "protection". It would not last long. Japan will re-militiarize and Americans would be out of there.

 

The deep state would not be interested in Neo-colonialism. They tried the lite version in Afghanistan and failed miserably. 

 

They simply want a partner in South Asia against China. 

[mishra]

7 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Isn’t Putin fighting NATO expansion into Russia’s neighborhood?  NATO karo to Jais hain kya?

 

India needs US , but not compromising its sovereignty about FP. USA can’t bully India into stopping it to buy Russian oil/weapons. Ukraine is a NATO expansionist problem to gain control over rare earth minerals of Ukraine. India /EAM aka lajer ice , should keep showing that mirror back at EU

India was telling US that your main competitor is not Russia, so why the hell you are hitting them or hitting us. US has realised it shouldn’t have done it as well but as a Strategic mistake correction, they want to break BRICS. India is saying we will standby BRICS as long as Russia is in it. So talk to Putin. I think Alaska talk will include this aspect 

Edited August 13, 2025 by mishra

[jf1gp_1]

26 minutes ago, mishra said:

India was telling US that your main competitor is not Russia, so why the hell you are hitting them or hitting us. US has realised it shouldn’t have done it as well but as a Strategic mistake correction, they want to break BRICS. India is saying we will standby BRICS as long as Russia is in it. So talk to Putin. I think Alaska talk will include this aspect 

Is this your analysis or have you read somewhere 

[mishra]

2 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Is this your analysis or have you read somewhere 

Been following it since ages. Some reading, Some info available on internet, Some analysis. Before farm protests, i have been opining that 2035 will be the year when we will start having a leverage in China and US if things continue same way. Problem is, that was/is big assumption.

 

Ashley Tells for example advised some time back to US Admin that there is nothing to gain for US continued Investment on India if India doesn’t sides with them. Not only that, Pakistan as backup option in case India route fails was created by Victoria Nuland under Biden

Edited August 13, 2025 by mishra

[mishra]

For me, Lets NOT repeat Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai BS. Else our next generation will pay just the same way we are paying.

 

Remember Russia displays a map of India which includes PoK and Chinese occupied land of laddakh under Indian territory, We should ask US to display same map of India for good  and timebound support to make it physical in return of our Support.

 

PS: when Jaishankar made that remark that you don’t even accept our map it probably meant exactly same discussion is what India wants

Edited August 13, 2025 by mishra

[mishra]

Also Russia Ukraine war can be stopped in a day by one statement and a signature by Trump and that is : Ukraine will never be or atleast not be part of NATO under any circumstance for nxt 50 years. 
 

Alaska meeting or amy meeting or any nation bashing is all for China.

[G_B_]

7 hours ago, pkmmamks said:

Jaihankar ji ki aankhein check karwa lo. Aise hi faltoo mein lal dikhti hai. Ek bhi desh ke saath relation theek nahi hai.

 

Nepal Bdesh Lanka sab pel rahe hain

 

 

relations with SL are more than ok. The second post in this thread discusses relations with the Maldives as being okay.

 

 

 

[G_B_]

I am hearing of a deal with Russia on Friday being close to being done on Friday during the meeting. Tariffs on India will be adjusted back to 25% or the 50% will be pushed back by 100 days if the frontline is frozen.

 

 

[mishra]

5 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

I am hearing of a deal with Russia on Friday being close to being done on Friday during the meeting. Tariffs on India will be adjusted back to 25% or the 50% will be pushed back by 100 days if the frontline is frozen.

 

 

As a indicator, yesterday on CNBC, i was observing Oil prices and they are not increasing. Infact went down.

Edited August 13, 2025 by mishra

[G_B_]

Europeans prefer the frontline being frozen rather than Ukraine formally ceding territory. Trump wants a swap of territories and a permanent signing of a peace treaty (Ukraine will give up most but gain in Kherson and give in Donbas).

 

Putin would prefer not to freeze the frontline as is allows Ukraine time to get more military hardware from the west and rearm in addition to giving their army a rest. Currently, Ukraine will enable over-60s to enlist as they are short on manpower.

 

But expect Putin to agree in principle to a frozen front line, giving his troops a few more weeks to gain as much territory as possible. So he will say, ok, from the 1st of September, the front line will be frozen.

 

 

[mishra]

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Putin thanks Kim Jong-un for support in Ukraine conflict

The Russian president has praised his North Korean counterpart during a phone call between the two leaders

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Zelensky claims Putin has won ‘personal victory’

The upcoming summit with Donald Trump spells the end of the “international isolation” of Russia, the Ukrainian leader has said

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Russia ‘has won the war’ – Orban

The only question is when Kiev’s Western backers will admit defeat, the Hungarian PM has said

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White House teases Trump visit to Russia

The statement comes as the US and Russian leaders prepare to meet in Alaska this week

 

All of them are positive stories on RT with a Opinion warning . That means US Russia are coming to a settlement

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War’s final act: Zelensky’s dangerous play to crash Russia-US talks

As Ukraine’s defeat becomes undeniable, Zelensky resorts to desperate provocations — risking wider conflict to block peace talks between Russia and the US.

 

[gattaca]

8 hours ago, kepler37b said:

The deep state simply wants the interests of America to be advanced. 

 

They will not apply vassal state logic to India. We are TOO big and complex.

 

The example of Korea is lopsided. The South Koreans themselves agreed to be a vassal as a protection against Aggressive North. 

 

Japanese are an interesting case. Post WW2 they have de-militiarized and were good with American soldier on their shores as "protection". It would not last long. Japan will re-militiarize and Americans would be out of there.

 

The deep state would not be interested in Neo-colonialism. They tried the lite version in Afghanistan and failed miserably. 

 

They simply want a partner in South Asia against China. 

Japan is done man. The birth rates are so low and there so many abandoned houses in Japan many Australians are moving there. These are villages in Japan. I am not even talking about big cities. Tokyo is one of the most expensive cities and people don’t want to raise kids combined with Japanese culture of working more 12 hours a day. They might the first race that might decline badly along with South Koreans. There fertility rates is very low and might as a race vanish.

[G_B_]

2 hours ago, gattaca said:

Japan is done man. The birth rates are so low and there so many abandoned houses in Japan many Australians are moving there. These are villages in Japan. I am not even talking about big cities. Tokyo is one of the most expensive cities and people don’t want to raise kids combined with Japanese culture of working more 12 hours a day. They might the first race that might decline badly along with South Koreans. There fertility rates is very low and might as a race vanish.

 

USA itself might face major demographic change. I read latinos on course to be majority by 2070.

[Lone Wolf]

7 hours ago, mishra said:

Remember Russia displays a map of India which includes PoK and Chinese occupied land of laddakh under Indian territory, We should ask US to display same map of India for good  and timebound support to make it physical in return of our Support.

Israel's IDF showed both PoK and Aksai Chin not included in India 

 

Upon severe online backlash they eventually apologized and added PoK back but kept Aksai Chin as part of China.

 

In the end economic leverage is all that matters.

 

For India to be taken seriously & not be bullied around we need to Industrialize and take the Indian economy to next level...

Neither US nor China would make it easy for us.

I am certain they would slow us down as much as they can.

India should ensure they cannot temper our economic projections beyond 3-5 years at the very least.

 

[IndianRenegade]

21 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Isn’t Putin fighting NATO expansion into Russia’s neighborhood?  NATO karo to Jais hain kya?

 

 

I am not claiming Europe or NATO is right in their world view, it doesn't matter. It is the their view, just like it don't matter if Pakistan is right claiming Kashmir, it their view. Their actions will be diven by this world view.

 

21 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

India needs US , but not compromising its sovereignty about FP. USA can’t bully India into stopping it to buy Russian oil/weapons. Ukraine is a NATO expansionist problem to gain control over rare earth minerals of Ukraine. India /EAM aka lajer ice , should keep showing that mirror back at EU

 Results are what matters. Look at Bibi, he clearly understood all Trump cares about is a photo-op & nomination for nobel peace prize. He gave trump what he wanted & continues to ignore CF & do as he pleases. Here we are taking Rahul gandhi's bait confronting Trump on how the CF came to be & loosing out on larger strategic goals.

 

Pak understood it too & gave trump what he wanted, now has strained Ind-US stratergic relationship. If you ask me Pak would be right to think Pahalgam was totally worth it, chinese support during actual conflict tested, sure they lost some terrorists & got bombed but the military is back in favor. The cherry on top of all this is that US which until recently claimed India had the right to defend itself was more neutral & now has taken a more pro pak stance. With the new found US backing they are more beligerent rather than detered by Op Sindhoor. 

 

MEA's job isn't to win a debate but to win international support for its positions. 

Edited August 13, 2025 by IndianRenegade

[coffee_rules]

11 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

 

I am not claiming Europe or NATO is right in their world view, it doesn't matter. It is the their view, just like it don't matter if Pakistan is right claiming Kashmir, it their view. Their actions will be diven by this world view.

 

 Results are what matters. Look at Bibi, he clearly understood all Trump cares about is a photo-op & nomination for nobel peace prize. He gave trump what he wanted & continues to ignore CF & do as he pleases. Here we are taking Rahul gandhi's bait confronting Trump on how the CF came to be & loosing out on larger startegic goals.

What is CF? 

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

What is CF? 

ceasefire I guess

[IndianRenegade]

17 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

What is CF? 

cease fire