Is India's foreign policy flawed or is India's growth causing rivals / adversaries / regional hegemons to all conspire against India ?

[rangeelaraja]

China is India's biggest enemy. 

 

It claims to be in the camp of the global south but is a neo imperialist to the core. 

 

They have been the only P5 to constantly and almost as a matter of policy cause us harm at the UN ( vetoing any action against dreaded criminals who have done horrendous acts against India ) , arming Pak and also being in the war ops with them against us.  The definition of an enemy cannot be more clear. 

 

Now to counterbalance the tariff jolt, we are trying to warm up to China which has been a perpetual enemy.

 

I am also ashamed at the incompetency of the Indian diaspora who are in positions of extreme influence and power.  Like idiots we take pride at the number of Indian CEOs leading large global giants - while they have no allegiance to India anymore. They are not able to even influence policy to create a win win all weather relationship -- even remotely. 

 

Jaishankar Ji has the most difficult job among all of BJP's ministers and its not even close. 

Edited August 11, 2025 by rangeelaraja

[G_B_]

I think we need to wait to see how this pans out.

 

Maldives was seen as a fp disaster. Was not the case.

 

 

 

[IndianRenegade]

40 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

I think we need to wait to see how this pans out.

 

Maldives was seen as a fp disaster. Was not the case.

 

 

 

yup... how much of this is posturing to squeeze out a lopsided trade deal or how much of it is a more prolonged change in policy is yet to be seen.

[IndianRenegade]

A team from the US is expected to be in India next month for the negotiations with India for defence procurements. Denying the speculative reports about India pausing the orders for defence equipment from the US, the sources in the MoD said that the discussions for the six more P8I aircraft from the US for the Indian Navy are still on the table.

 

There has been no change in the defence procurement process after the tariff was hiked by US President Donald Trump. Apart from the engine procurement for the Tejas programme, there are deliberations about the Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) procurement on which an announcement is expected soon.

 

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/india-us-defence-talks-on-tejas-engine-deliveries-follow-on-orders-fast-tracked-2769505-2025-08-11

[ravishingravi]

Foreign policy becomes easier when you decide to play vassal. As a rising power, next 10 years will be difficult. 

[kepler37b]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/osama-bin-laden-in-a-suit-ex-us-official-michael-rubin-slams-pakistan-army-chief-asim-munir-calls-trumps-india-stance-wrong/articleshow/123248305.cms

 

As soon as the orange clown departs, West will resume normal business with India. I believe JD Vance can be much more pro india than the orange man.

[pkmmamks]

5 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/osama-bin-laden-in-a-suit-ex-us-official-michael-rubin-slams-pakistan-army-chief-asim-munir-calls-trumps-india-stance-wrong/articleshow/123248305.cms

 

As soon as the orange clown departs, West will resume normal business with India. I believe JD Vance can be much more pro india than the orange man.

Can this just be Trump. This surely involves the deep state, CIA . Regime changes in Pak and Bangladesh were not done by Trump administration

[kepler37b]

8 minutes ago, pkmmamks said:

Can this just be Trump. This surely involves the deep state, CIA . Regime changes in Pak and Bangladesh were not done by Trump administration

The deep state and the imperialist neo-cons consider india to be a counter balance for China. I believe the orange clown is tweeting and acting like a retard. Or this might be a "reality show" of grand strategy  to end the Russia-Ukraine war.  

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, kepler37b said:

The deep state and the imperialist neo-cons consider india to be a counter balance for China

Nope they want India to be a subservient vassal state.. like So Ko, Japan and most pathetic of them all Philippines.

First thing on the wishlist was India to be the next Ukraine for China.

 

India made it seem they were willing to play ball but the deep state saw through it eventually that India will never compromise and Modi isn't as Pro West as they thought he would be when Deep State orchestrated Regime change and created anti establishment momentum through Anna protests and Kejruddin.

 

There is no Counter balance thing on play.  Quad never became a military alliance for a reason.  India was always called the weakest link in the Quad as we weren't willing to do anything beyond theatrics.

 

Edited August 12, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nope they want India to be a subservient vassal state.. like So Ko, Japan and most pathetic of them all Philippines.

First thing on the wishlist was India to be the next Ukraine for China.

 

India made it seem they were willing to play ball but the deep state saw through it eventually that India will never compromise and Modi isn't as Pro West as they thought he would be when Deep State orchestrated Regime change and created anti establishment momentum through Anna protests and Kejruddin.

 

There is no Counter balance thing on play.  Quad never became a military alliance for a reason.  India was always called the weakest link in the Quad as we weren't willing to do anything beyond theatrics.

 

On the other hand, they also consider India a weak link in Bricks. The problem with USA is hypocritical stuff. They propagate Pakistan and still expect us to not have dealings with Russia. 

[G_B_]

See no matter what the usa does the key issue is if india keeps growing even by 6% over the next decade then the gap in power between pak and india will widen.

 

Gdp per capita of india is now nearly double that of pak. Most social indicators are significantly better.

 

Pakistan has huge demographic pressures. Munir needs to keep population outwardly occupied. Even if not prompted by china and usa there is incentive to prick india

 

China in contrast has low demographic pressures. I am reading most chinese cities are struggling to maintain pop.

[mishra]

14 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

yup... how much of this is posturing to squeeze out a lopsided trade deal or how much of it is a more prolonged change in policy is yet to be seen.

Lets take a look at this objectively and non emotionally based on facts:

 

During Biden era, USA had Modi Administration by its balls in name of Unknown Gunmen, specially Nijjer Pannu, Five eyes. So much so that Trudeu put his politicall career as well as India Canada relations on line. Its not small event to break releationship with India and lodge a case against HM and NSA for alleged murder plot of some separatist who most believe to be a CIA Assest(if media to be belived, Indian Securty Heads have said to US Security head that he is your asset).

 

So this means that US was demanding something very Important (Strategic) from India in Biden Era in Biden Style. That demand was not met.

 

US is demanding same in Trump era in Trump Style (If demand isnt met apply more pressure) and Demand hasnt been met.

 

So what could be a demand such that we are facing so much ire?

 

My assesment based on various evidences and way Ramaphosa was treated in Oval office using  some fake images of White Farmers

or

Brazil is being treated in pretext of Bolsnaros case

or

India is being treated (Stopping Pak India war, Trilateralise Kashmir, Munir in WH, or Russian Oil) even with risk of 20+ years of relation buiilding effort.

 

I can only deduce that US considers BRICS a threat bigger than China and wants it Dismantled or near Dismantled urgently.  US thinks its now or never and 2030s decade will be too late. 

Edited August 12, 2025 by mishra

[mishra]

^ Remember Global dedolarisation has reached to 58% of world trades in 2024/2025.

3 out of Top 5 economies are non Western. The two economies US and Germany (Both have debt over 110% of GDP)

Japanese were put in their place in 1980s when they became biggest economy.

Russia is only self sustained economy in world.

 

I am not a economist but simple guesstimate says  as soon as de dollarisation makes world trade under 50% , Investors will definitely start pulling out money from USA.

 

PS: Trump is not lieing when he said 1929 will be back if he isnt allowed to do what he is doing by Courts of USA

 

Edited August 12, 2025 by mishra

[straighttalk]

8 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nope they want India to be a subservient vassal state.. like So Ko, Japan and most pathetic of them all Philippines.

First thing on the wishlist was India to be the next Ukraine for China.

 

India made it seem they were willing to play ball but the deep state saw through it eventually that India will never compromise and Modi isn't as Pro West as they thought he would be when Deep State orchestrated Regime change and created anti establishment momentum through Anna protests and Kejruddin.

 

There is no Counter balance thing on play.  Quad never became a military alliance for a reason.  India was always called the weakest link in the Quad as we weren't willing to do anything beyond theatrics.

 

Anna protest to throw manmohan off and install modi in power and then washing machine kejriudddin and other opposition leaders in states to consolidate bjps power in rampant misuse of govt power...cia is inept it seems

[gattaca]

6 hours ago, G_B_ said:

See no matter what the usa does the key issue is if india keeps growing even by 6% over the next decade then the gap in power between pak and india will widen.

 

Gdp per capita of india is now nearly double that of pak. Most social indicators are significantly better.

 

Pakistan has huge demographic pressures. Munir needs to keep population outwardly occupied. Even if not prompted by china and usa there is incentive to prick india

 

China in contrast has low demographic pressures. I am reading most chinese cities are struggling to maintain pop.

China population is not even a billion anymore. Estimates are around 600-800 million or even less. Chinese cities inflate population figures. They had one child policy since 1958 no way they will have a billion people. Their domestic consumption is low and once US and the world are hesitant against Chinese imports their economy is struggling because of low local consumption. 

[mishra]

8 minutes ago, gattaca said:

China population is not even a billion anymore. Estimates are around 600-800 million or even less. Chinese cities inflate population figures. They had one child policy since 1958 no way they will have a billion people. Their domestic consumption is low and once US and the world are hesitant against Chinese imports their economy is struggling because of low local consumption. 

Yes, And that why even if launched, BRICs currency stability is impossible without India agreeing as spending demand component comes from huge Indian population. Most in East are very grugal with money and won’t spend on credit card.

Edited August 12, 2025 by mishra

[IndianRenegade]

5 hours ago, mishra said:

Lets take a look at this objectively and non emotionally based on facts:

 

During Biden era, USA had Modi Administration by its balls in name of Unknown Gunmen, specially Nijjer Pannu, Five eyes. So much so that Trudeu put his politicall career as well as India Canada relations on line. Its not small event to break releationship with India and lodge a case against HM and NSA for alleged murder plot of some separatist who most believe to be a CIA Assest(if media to be belived, Indian Securty Heads have said to US Security head that he is your asset).

 

So this means that US was demanding something very Important (Strategic) from India in Biden Era in Biden Style. That demand was not met.

 

US is demanding same in Trump era in Trump Style (If demand isnt met apply more pressure) and Demand hasnt been met.

 

So what could be a demand such that we are facing so much ire?

 

My assesment based on various evidences and way Ramaphosa was treated in Oval office using  some fake images of White Farmers

or

Brazil is being treated in pretext of Bolsnaros case

or

India is being treated (Stopping Pak India war, Trilateralise Kashmir, Munir in WH, or Russian Oil) even with risk of 20+ years of relation buiilding effort.

 

I can only deduce that US considers BRICS a threat bigger than China and wants it Dismantled or near Dismantled urgently.  US thinks its now or never and 2030s decade will be too late. 

I think they have told it multiple times, they want India out of the Russian oribit.  Russian invasion of Ukraine ruined a lot of things for us. 

 

Biden admin wanted India to decouple from Russia, stop buying russian weapons & buy US weapons systems. Until the Ukraine invasion they were fine with slowly weaning India away, but the war acellrated the timelines from the US prespective. But since the Biden admin felt India is an important part of its china stratergy it didn't directly confront us. It reponded with if you claim stratergic atonomy, US will do the same.

 

1. PAK gets out of FATF

2. PAK get F16 package

3. Khalistani issue that was made worse by Indian ops in western soil.

 

But Biden admin didn't do direct conforntation as that is how they operate.

 

Trump, comes in offers F35. F35 offer implictly means you buy Patriot/THAAD as they will not work with S400. India rebuffs offer, add Trumps trade issue, & nobel peace prize hunt to the mixture it all acellarated timelines. Kamala would have meant slow pressure on the sides to signal India come under US orbit or US also has other options, Kamala admin also doesn't have problems US moving manufacturing base away from China into India, while Trump wants them back in the US. Trump accelarates everything, while in a way the end goal might be the same, kamala admin offered slow rolling of things, allowing Indian diplomacy to work things out, provides time needed for Indian economy to grow & better trade terms.

 

 

 

[mishra]

I think its China and NOT Russia that is US enemy/competetor number 1,

 

If US has to win it must be prepared to pay for things which are not as efficiently or cheaply produced as in China.

Edited August 12, 2025 by mishra

[IndianRenegade]

32 minutes ago, mishra said:

I think its China and NOT Russia that is US enemy/competetor number 1

well it is but the world is complicated now.

 

The War in Ukraine is kind of existantial for Europe, they think if Putin isn't stopped in Ukraine he will keep pushing the envelope. They won't get into another cold war with China unless this issue is resolved. 

 

India hasn't commited to a military alliance in QUAD, haven't bought into the american military ecosystem. Essentially means India is shaping to be a another China without commiting to come into the US fold. Now why would US aid India's rise when India isn't commiting to its alliance?

 

Our EAM going around lecturing everyone is kind of giving the game away, US kept telling India to fall in line, get its weapons. EAM kept repeating strategic independence, Indian problem is its isn't playing the game well enough. Pakistan kept stringing US along getting their money while claiming to fight terrorists, while providing safe haven to them. It took OBL capture for the US to finally lose interest & realize India is the ally it needs to counter China.

 

India needs to keep stringing US along until it can build a manufacturing base, laser eyes is more concerned about youtube shorts & insta reels. Two things have come at a wrong time for India, Russian-Ukraine war, is accelerating US push for India to chose a side. AI, it means US companies aren't as depenendent on Indian services. 

 

India must act & act quickly, privot to manufacturing at a war footing. Secure Oil & Minerals, bide its time wrt to US. 

Edited August 12, 2025 by IndianRenegade

[coffee_rules]

52 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

well it is but the world is complicated now.

 

The War in Ukraine is kind of existantial for Europe, they think if Putin isn't stopped in Ukraine he will keep pushing the envelope. They won't get into another cold war with China unless this issue is resolved. 

 

India hasn't commited to a military alliance in QUAD, haven't bought into the american military ecosystem. Essentially means India is shaping to be a another China without commiting to come into the US fold. Now why would US aid India's rise when India isn't commiting to its alliance?

 

Our EAM going around lecturing everyone is kind of giving the game away, US kept telling India to fall in line, get its weapons. EAM kept repeating strategic independence, Indian problem is its isn't playing the game well enough. Pakistan kept stringing US along getting their money while claiming to fight terrorists, while providing safe haven to them. It took OBL capture for the US to finally lose interest & realize India is the ally it needs to counter China.

 

India needs to keep stringing US along until it can build a manufacturing base, laser eyes is more concerned about youtube shorts & insta reels. Two things have come at a wrong time for India, Russian-Ukraine war, is accelerating US push for India to chose a side. AI, it means US companies aren't as depenendent on Indian services. 

 

India must act & act quickly, privot to manufacturing at a war footing. Secure Oil & Minerals, bide its time wrt to US. 

Isn’t Putin fighting NATO expansion into Russia’s neighborhood?  NATO karo to Jais hain kya?

 

India needs US , but not compromising its sovereignty about FP. USA can’t bully India into stopping it to buy Russian oil/weapons. Ukraine is a NATO expansionist problem to gain control over rare earth minerals of Ukraine. India /EAM aka lajer ice , should keep showing that mirror back at EU