"Selections without clarity and over-tactical thinking. Ind not a top test side" - Venky Prasad slams Gambhir

[Vilander]

On 11/17/2025 at 7:58 AM, putrevus said:

putrid

 

On 11/17/2025 at 7:58 AM, putrevus said:

putrid team

 

On 11/17/2025 at 8:27 AM, putrevus said:

a putrid team

 

Did you learn this word today ? 

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, AKane said:

I think for some reason India got a reputation as good players of spin because India played Warne very very well and played Murali okay.

 

I have seen India struggle against Derek Underwood and Grieg  struggle against Abdul Qadir and Iqbal Qasim, struggle against   Saqlain and Mushtaq.

 

Trick is to use 2 or more spinners in India. Feed to the Indians what they feed to others. Don't have Warne and Kasprowicz bowling. Have Panesar and Swann bowling. Don't come here with only Nathan Lyon. Bring Lyon and a couple more spinners like Murphy or Kuhneman or whatever his name is. Play Santner and the other 2 Kiwi spinners. Etc.

 

Heck even Gambhir, Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid, Laxman and Ganguly lost a test and drew home series 1-1  to Pak with a spin bowling attack of Kaneria and Shahid Afridi in 2005.

 

 

2005 series last day pitch was a minefield. But there was one guy who made that look like flat road. Sehwag. But Gauti ran him out lol.

[putrevus]

10 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

 

 

Did you learn this word today ? 

Idiot and moron  did you learn these two words today? 

Edited November 19, 2025 by putrevus

[AKane]

10 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

2005 series last day pitch was a minefield. But there was one guy who made that look like flat road. Sehwag. But Gauti ran him out lol.

I dunno - looking back Pak score 261/2 on day 4  off of 50 overs with Afridi slamming 58 off  34 balls and Younis Khan 84 not out off 98 balls  and Inzamam  31 not out off 32 balls.

 

Then the pitch next day became a minefield? I don't think so - our batsmen basically laid down and could not bat. Sehwag was like Afridi/Younis/Inzamam basically....

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, AKane said:

I dunno - looking back Pak score 261/2 on day 4  off of 50 overs with Afridi slamming 58 off  34 balls and Younis Khan 84 not out off 98 balls  and Inzamam  31 not out off 32 balls.

 

Then the pitch next day became a minefield? I don't think so - our batsmen basically laid down and could not bat. Sehwag was like Afridi/Younis/Inzamam basically....

I saw that live. Ball was keeping low and turning big. It was skidding on for all spinners. As long as VIru was batting they couldn't land where they wanted. 

[Gollum]

10 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

2005 series last day pitch was a minefield. But there was one guy who made that look like flat road. Sehwag. But Gauti ran him out lol.

Not a minefield, we just choked. 

[AKane]

13 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Not a minefield, we just choked. 

That is what I thought - On fourth day they slammed 261/2 in 50 overs and then it became a minefield on day 5?

[AKane]

Just now, AKane said:

14 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Not a minefield, we just choked. 

That is what I thought - On fourth day they slammed 261/2 in 50 overs and then it became a minefield on day 5?

BTW the same happened in the ODI WC match in 2007 against SL.

 

Chamara Silva and the other guy played Harbhajan easily .....

 

Then we collapsed against Murali and Jayasuriya when it was our turn to bat. 

[vvvslaxman]

21 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Not a minefield, we just choked. 

SOme of the balls were really scuffling along the ground. It got progressive worse. But India had a chance to draw that test. They just had to bat extra overs. Besides Younis khan/Afridi swept the crap out of Kumble. Kumble had no proper leg spin..  Every ball was eitehr coming in or barely left the batsmen. So they could easily dominate us. Sehwag's technique was superior to technique of our other batsmen in that match.

[Gollum]

11 minutes ago, AKane said:

That is what I thought - On fourth day they slammed 261/2 in 50 overs and then it became a minefield on day 5?

 

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

SOme of the balls were really scuffling along the ground. It got progressive worse. But India had a chance to draw that test. They just had to bat extra overs. Besides Younis khan/Afridi swept the crap out of Kumble. Kumble had no proper leg spin..  Every ball was eitehr coming in or barely left the batsmen. So they could easily dominate us. Sehwag's technique was superior to technique of our other batsmen in that match.

I remember that test very well. In mid 2000s we had a habit or choking in 4th innings. Same happened against Udal in Mumbai next year. Then 2008 Sydney where last 4 couldn't play out 1 over...Clarke took 3 wickets in one over to win them the test. 

[Gollum]

Sachin went into stonewalling mode for no reason. Played 100 balls and scored 15 runs, then Sami took him out. That Pak bowling was not even Ranji level...pacers Sami and Razzaq (who was bowling 115 kph), spinners Kaneria, Arshad Khan and Afridi. We OTOH had the famous Fab 5 and swatantra senani Gautam Gambhir. 

 

Next season in RSA we choked the decider test again, because of pointless stonewalling by Sachin and Dravid against Paul Harris in 3rd innings when we were in firm control of the match. I know @Laaloo will hate this post but facts are facts. As a Sachin fan myself, those two knocks are impossible to justify. 

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Sachin went into stonewalling mode for no reason. Played 100 balls and scored 15 runs, then Sami took him out. That Pak bowling was not even Ranji level...pacers Sami and Razzaq (who was bowling 115 kph), spinners Kaneria, Arshad Khan and Afridi. We OTOH had the famous Fab 5 and swatantra senani Gautam Gambhir. 

 

Next season in RSA we choked the decider test again, because of pointless stonewalling by Sachin and Dravid against Paul Harris in 3rd innings when we were in firm control of the match. I know @Laaloo will hate this post but facts are facts. As a Sachin fan myself, those two knocks are impossible to justify. 

Sachin had a life as well against Afridi.  Laxman was not out though. He is usually our 4th innings specialist. Ball was sliding down the leg. But given leg before. Watch the ball that castled Ganguly. Near unplayable.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2025 by vvvslaxman

[AKane]

11 minutes ago, Gollum said:

That Pak bowling was not even Ranji level...pacers Sami and Razzaq (who was bowling 115 kph), spinners Kaneria, Arshad Khan and Afridi. We OTOH had the famous Fab 5 and swatantra senani Gautam Gambhir. 

That is hilarious!

[AKane]

19 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Then 2008 Sydney where last 4 couldn't play out 1 over...Clarke took 3 wickets in one over to win them the test. 

That was a horror test with Bucknor upto his antics esp in the Symonds incident and capped off by Clarke and his 3 wickets - Clarke for heavens sakes!

[Laaloo]

26 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Sachin went into stonewalling mode for no reason. Played 100 balls and scored 15 runs, then Sami took him out. That Pak bowling was not even Ranji level...pacers Sami and Razzaq (who was bowling 115 kph), spinners Kaneria, Arshad Khan and Afridi. We OTOH had the famous Fab 5 and swatantra senani Gautam Gambhir. 

 

Next season in RSA we choked the decider test again, because of pointless stonewalling by Sachin and Dravid against Paul Harris in 3rd innings when we were in firm control of the match. I know @Laaloo will hate this post but facts are facts. As a Sachin fan myself, those two knocks are impossible to justify. 

 No I have mentioned in the past on icf that partnership was one of our worst partnerships ever. It was a disgrace.

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, Laaloo said:

 No I have mentioned in the past on icf that partnership was one of our worst partnerships ever. It was a disgrace.

New record. First post of mine criticizing Sachin which you haven't trollvoted. 

[Laaloo]

Just now, Gollum said:

New record. First post of mine criticizing Sachin which you haven't trollvoted. 

Let me make it up with this post

[Laaloo]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

New record. First post of mine criticizing Sachin which you haven't trollvoted. 

 

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, AKane said:

I dunno - looking back Pak score 261/2 on day 4  off of 50 overs with Afridi slamming 58 off  34 balls and Younis Khan 84 not out off 98 balls  and Inzamam  31 not out off 32 balls.

 

Then the pitch next day became a minefield? I don't think so - our batsmen basically laid down and could not bat. Sehwag was like Afridi/Younis/Inzamam basically....

 

If I am not wrong Sehwag was run out and then all hell broke loose.Dravid and Sachin batted as if they were on minefield creating so much pressure for others. 

 

That is exactly what happened in Kolkatta test too.

[Gollum]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

If I am not wrong Sehwag was run out and then all hell broke loose.Dravid and Sachin batted as if they were on minefield creating so much pressure for others. 

There is a reason why I rate Fab 5 Indian batting unit behind 2000s Aus and RSA. Individually, our guys were great, but jelly ike when under the pump. They collapsed against Zimbabwe FGS, and a horrendous 4th innings record everywhere.