Prakat Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Government by obfuscatory word salad extends to wars as much as everything else undertaken by the current US administration By Andrew Adonis March 11, 2026 In the past few days Donald Trump has said that his war with Benjamin Netanyahu against Iran would end “very soon” and was “very complete”. He has also said that the end would be “not this week”, that he hasn’t yet “won enough” and that he would carry on until Iran’s “unconditional surrender”. Then again, Trump said that the decision to end the war would be a “mutual” one with the Israeli leader. Immediately afterwards, Netanyahu said he is “not done yet”, having previously said that “it may take some time.” But what is it that may take “some time”? Sometimes it is ending Iran’s capacity to develop nuclear weapons, something Trump previously—as recently as last week in fact—claimed had been achieved in the war against Iran in June last year. In other statements the aim is to disable Iran’s entire navy and/or ballistic missile capability and/or it is to bring down the entire Iranian regime. Nor is it remotely clear what regime change means to Trump and Netanyahu. “When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take,” Trump proclaimed to the Iranian people as he launched strikes on 28th February, while this week the Israeli leader said that Israel’s “aspiration is to bring the Iranian people to throw off the yoke of tyranny,” but that “ultimately it depends on them”. On other occasions Trump has said that he wants to choose or approve the new supreme leader from within the existing regime, to succeed the one he has just assassinated, as he did with the new Venezuelan leader after he abducted Maduro. Meanwhile the mullahs in Tehran have chosen Mojtaba Khamenei, the son of their assassinated leader, without consulting the United States and have pledged to keep on fighting. And they announced this a day or two before Trump declared that his “very complete” war would end “very soon.” Government by obfuscatory word salad extends to wars as much as everything else undertaken by Trump’s administration. “There’s no art to find the mind’s construction in the face,” declares one of Shakespeare’s monarchs, and there’s no art to finding Trump’s policies and intentions from his public statements. Instead, to assess the likely course of this latest crisis, Starmer and his fellow western leaders have to rely on the US president’s past patterns of behaviour and how these interact with present realities. This analysis leads to three observations. First, whatever the rhetoric of regime change, Trump isn’t a liberal, “neo” or otherwise. Nor is Netanyahu or any of the leaders of the Gulf states with whom they have been collaborating. Having decapitated the Iranian government, their main concern is to render the successor leadership as weak as they can as quickly as possible. Hence the assassination strategy, alongside the bombing of military installations. Second, Trump has never yet fought a serious ground war, and vast Iran, with no evident preparation for the transport of a US army, is highly unlikely to be his first such foray. Third, market reactions—especially stock market declines and commodity price increases—weigh very heavily on Trump. The longer the war continues, the worse the market is likely to react, especially given the threat to Gulf oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz. The best assessment is, therefore, that this particular war will soon be over, but that further bombing of Iran, and further attempts at leadership decapitation, will recur periodically for as long as Trump and Netanyahu are in league. If that is correct, Starmer need not worry too much about Trump’s reaction to lack of British support. He will soon have moved on to the next round. https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/the-insider/72682/trump-and-netanyahus-aimless-war-in-iran Note: "War not going according to plan."
Stan AF Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Title is wrong . "Trump and net & yahoos Epstein war in Iran". Prakat, Lord and IndianRenegade 1 1 1
kepler37b Posted March 12 Posted March 12 As if the voice of a war averse euro, whose country is being taken over by jihadis and child grooming gangs, is credible. It is nuisance at best and stupidity at worst.
Prakat Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Stan AF said: Title is wrong . "Trump and net & yahoos Epstein war in Iran". Also AIPAC Fury Epstein Fury The absolute devastation in Haifa and Tel Aviv is an eye-opener. and Iron Dome has been renamed to Iran Dome CENTCOM stations decimated and usa scrambling thaad from all over south korea to replace their ruined infrastructure in ME. Stan AF 1
Prakat Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, G_B_ said: I can understand why israel did it. Not so much the usa. a dying narcissist psychopath doesn't like the idea of the world carrying on after he is gone. Politically he is motivated by the looming mid-term elections and someone told him wartime powers will either get him the votes and if they don't he can cancel them. in any case, he's the only guy under whom israel and deploy all their political investments for military actions. Mariyam 1
Prakat Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 Iran allows two SCI tankers from Saudi safe passage to India while it continues to take down any vessels attempting to pass even with warship escorts that are headed to countries that support the US war effort. bsriharsha 1
Mariyam Posted March 12 Posted March 12 @Prakat How do you see this playing out? What is the end game here? From an India PoV, what changes in the long run?
Prakat Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Mariyam said: @Prakat How do you see this playing out? What is the end game here? From an India PoV, what changes in the long run? Regime change in Israel? Or Netan goes for the Nuke? Dump will pretend he won and invade Cuba? Gulf states realise that the US military coverage isn't what it said on the brochure? China gets a live demo of what america looks like in action? India is insignificant in any eventuality. We just need to keep our head above water with regards to petroproducts. The only way for any invader to actually get any semblance of a positive outcome is get boots on ground. And what a military general with actual training will always avoid is a ground invasion of Iran. Which is why dump and hegseth are likely to fall into that trap. Iran is surrounded by mountains. Any troops landing via sea or neighbouring countries will have to navigate inhospitable mountain terrain and risk crossing through narrow passes. And Iran has spent 50 years preparing for exactly that. They have stations and munitions stocked at ideal locations and will take out most attempts. And here's the kicker, Tanks don't cross mountains. And the americans will be unable to set up supply lines for food and ammo, and medic posts. Airdrop them inside the country? Again, the same problems as above. Essentially, by the time US troops enter the country alive, they're not an invading force, they are hostages. Mariyam and bsriharsha 1 1
Mariyam Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Can Iran do a regime change in Israel? Doubt it. They are a weak cleft nation. As soon as this conflict is over, I think the Iranians will over throw what is left of the Islamic Republic. They won’t do that when a war is on, that would be tantamount to treason. Prakat 1
Prakat Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 20 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Can Iran do a regime change in Israel? Doubt it. They are a weak cleft nation. As soon as this conflict is over, I think the Iranians will over throw what is left of the Islamic Republic. They won’t do that when a war is on, that would be tantamount to treason. Regime change in Israel, if it happens, will be through internal action only. Netan's hold on power is built around the story that he is keeping israel safe through any and all means. So the less reality lives up to the propaganda the less legitimacy he will have to continue. Which is when the danger of a nuke attack enters the picture. And the same with Iran. However, with a win under his belt the new guy would carry the aura of having proven himself in the biggest test of the republic. The critical mass required to shift more of his supporters into the detractor's camp may fall short. Further failures down the road due to his inexperience may indeed bring that outcome about. Mariyam 1
BacktoCricaddict Posted March 12 Posted March 12 4 hours ago, Prakat said: Regime change in Israel, if it happens, will be through internal action only. Netan's hold on power is built around the story that he is keeping israel safe through any and all means. So the less reality lives up to the propaganda the less legitimacy he will have to continue. Which is when the danger of a nuke attack enters the picture. And the same with Iran. However, with a win under his belt the new guy would carry the aura of having proven himself in the biggest test of the republic. The critical mass required to shift more of his supporters into the detractor's camp may fall short. Further failures down the road due to his inexperience may indeed bring that outcome about. And in all of this, the little guy in every nation bears the brunt. Sickening reality. Prakat 1
G_B_ Posted March 12 Posted March 12 5 hours ago, Prakat said: Regime change in Israel, if it happens, will be through internal action only. Netan's hold on power is built around the story that he is keeping israel safe through any and all means. So the less reality lives up to the propaganda the less legitimacy he will have to continue. Which is when the danger of a nuke attack enters the picture. And the same with Iran. However, with a win under his belt the new guy would carry the aura of having proven himself in the biggest test of the republic. The critical mass required to shift more of his supporters into the detractor's camp may fall short. Further failures down the road due to his inexperience may indeed bring that outcome about. I dont think likes of Yesh atid are opposed to this war.
Prakat Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 5 hours ago, G_B_ said: I dont think likes of Yesh atid are opposed to this war. That might change depending on how much damage their homeland takes and how the war turns out eventually.
IndianRenegade Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Ideology is not a replacement for good foreign policy. Iran is not Gaza, their recent wins probably would have given them a better deal with Iran if they wanted. trump destroying his presidency for Israel is funny.
rkt.india Posted March 13 Posted March 13 5 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said: Ideology is not a replacement for good foreign policy. Iran is not Gaza, their recent wins probably would have given them a better deal with Iran if they wanted. trump destroying his presidency for Israel is funny. And Iran is turning tel aviv into Gaza.
Mariyam Posted March 13 Posted March 13 @Prakat If we are looking at a doomsday scenario and Netan is made to appear as an ineffective security provider and he presses the N button, what would he target? A population centre? That would basically backfire on Israel in the long run. Are there any sizable military targets left worth using the N bomb on? Prakat 1
Prakat Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 46 minutes ago, Mariyam said: @Prakat If we are looking at a doomsday scenario and Netan is made to appear as an ineffective security provider and he presses the N button, what would he target? A population centre? That would basically backfire on Israel in the long run. Are there any sizable military targets left worth using the N bomb on? Maybe, target a rich Oil/Gas field, making it unsafe for a few decades? Targeting population centres would definitely turn the world against Israel, tank their currency and bring about an international tribunal to convict him for crimes against humanity. using it to take out a military target would be overkill as they are widely distributed and all their missiles and drones are very low-cost and easy to replace. But, it's really an extremely low-probability risk. Absolutely zero upsides and devastating consequences for himself and his country.
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