govinda Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) My fear is that teams with genuine fast bowlers losing matches and teams that have trundlers galore winning. Hope stupid team managements don't drop them for trundlers. Already some indian commies going after ashok and tyagi over not bowling perfect line&length like gamboj @express bowling @vishalvirsingh @singhvivek141 @Rightarmfast @tapandrun Edited April 5 by govinda velu and singhvivek141 2
tapandrun Posted April 5 Posted April 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, govinda said: My fear is that teams with genuine fast bowlers losing matches and teams that have trundlers galore winning. Hope stupid team managements don't drop them for trundlers. Already some indian commies going after ashok and tyagi over not bowling perfect line&length like gamboj @express bowling @vishalvirsingh @singhvivek141 @Rightarmfast @tapandrun Tink this tm and selectors understand Ind needs faster bowlers -- Pradish and rana are example of this. Look at the domestic in last 2 seasons, some of these bowlers would be benched or not even selected, you name any faster bowler you know was playing in domestic, have nt seen that happen ever. There has be to be directive frm the top for this. Yes anything can happen but good thing about IPL is they have foreign commentators who like and understand what pace means so if these bowler have decent games they will be talked about atleast by styne, bishop, etc... This match too bishop made sure he tells tht ashok clocked 154 kmph , ind commentators wont do that. Next t20i wc and odi wc are in pace friendly venues and Ind does not have even a 3rd bowler and franchises knows that they can push couple of their players. Only pacer who has some name not picked in IPL is tom, he is not that tall but he has kind high pace thik 140-144 kmph Edited April 5 by tapandrun tweaker and express bowling 2
govinda Posted April 5 Author Posted April 5 (edited) 53 minutes ago, tapandrun said: Tink this tm and selectors understand Ind needs faster bowlers -- Pradish and rana are example of this. Look at the domestic in last 2 seasons, some of these bowlers would be benched or not even selected, you name any faster bowler you know was playing in domestic, have nt seen that happen ever. There has be to be directive frm the top for this. Yes anything can happen but good thing about IPL is they have foreign commentators who like and understand what pace means so if these bowler have decent games they will be talked about atleast by styne, bishop, etc... This match too bishop made sure he tells tht ashok clocked 154 kmph , ind commentators wont do that. Next t20i wc and odi wc are in pace friendly venues and Ind does not have even a 3rd bowler and franchises knows that they can push couple of their players. Only pacer who has some name not picked in IPL is tom, he is not that tall but he has rabada kind of long arms bowls high pace thik 140-144 kmph Agree as much i hate midget gambo for ruining our test team he is much better in backing for genuine fast bowlers then dravid who loves gutkesh and gadhesh. Tom will get his chances but i fear kkr might not play tyagi as he hasn't had much luck. Yesterday in telugu commentary msk prasad and co were chiding ashok and asking him to learn control from gambhoj Edited April 5 by govinda nevada 1
tapandrun Posted April 5 Posted April 5 (edited) 10 minutes ago, govinda said: Agree as much i hate midget gambo for ruining our test team he is much better in backing for genuine fast bowlers then dravid who loves gutkesh and gadhesh. Tom will get his chances but i fear kkr might not play tyagi as he hasn't had much luck. Yesterday in telugu commentary msk prasad and co were chiding ashok and asking him to learn control from gambhoj Kamboj has massive backing not sure how and why, he has leap-froged multiple bowlers. There are reporters calling him allrounder when there were talks that bowler needs to bat a bit. He can not even hold the bat. If he is an allrounder than Thakur is a proper batter. Some experts were calling him fast 140+kmph where he does not even touch such speeds in t20s. Mukesh kumar is much better t20 option than kamboj. As for KKr the next options they have are Saini and Umran so that is also a wiin both are quick, though saini will not be a good pick Edited April 5 by tapandrun express bowling, nevada and Vk1 1 2
singhvivek141 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 2 hours ago, govinda said: My fear is that teams with genuine fast bowlers losing matches and teams that have trundlers galore winning. Hope stupid team managements don't drop them for trundlers. Already some indian commies going after ashok and tyagi over not bowling perfect line&length like gamboj @express bowling @vishalvirsingh @singhvivek141 @Rightarmfast @tapandrun Yes, that will be a factor..just like domestic teams where teams which has fast bowlers dont win the trophy (JnK was an exception), while teams with teundlers and solid batters play into the final.. As our selectors only watch semis and finals, they see only trundlers and assume as if they are the reincarnation of McGrath & Pollock. KKR & GT, both have underperformed...KKR has non existent bowling attack while GTs batting it lol worthy. nevada 1
singhvivek141 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 1 hour ago, govinda said: Agree as much i hate midget gambo for ruining our test team he is much better in backing for genuine fast bowlers then dravid who loves gutkesh and gadhesh. Tom will get his chances but i fear kkr might not play tyagi as he hasn't had much luck. Yesterday in telugu commentary msk prasad and co were chiding ashok and asking him to learn control from gambhoj Commentators and most of the ex cricketers are idiots, no thoughts about it. They simply dont understand a single thing about fast bowling, you can feel what the likes of Kapil, Srinath or Venkatesh Prasad must have felt in their initial years, they must have been discouraged to bowl quick. Thankfully present mgmt is somewhat backing the pacers, Tyagi is under Bharati Arun so that would help him get some backing, wish Varun Aaron also help Onkar Tarmale & Praful Hinge instead of pushing Harshal Patel or Jaydev Unadkut. vishalvirsingh, nevada and express bowling 3
govinda Posted April 5 Author Posted April 5 6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Commentators and most of the ex cricketers are idiots, no thoughts about it. They simply dont understand a single thing about fast bowling, you can feel what the likes of Kapil, Srinath or Venkatesh Prasad must have felt in their initial years, they must have been discouraged to bowl quick. Thankfully present mgmt is somewhat backing the pacers, Tyagi is under Bharati Arun so that would help him get some backing, wish Varun Aaron also help Onkar Tarmale & Praful Hinge instead of pushing Harshal Patel or Jaydev Unadkut. Bharat arun is coach of LSG not kkr singhvivek141 1
bowl_out Posted April 5 Posted April 5 RR has the best pace bowling unit overall - Jofra and Burger. Deshpande is quick too.. Sandeep is the only trundler. GT has the best domestic pace unit - Prasidh, Siraj, Ashok Sharma. Arshad Khan was pretty quick too. CSK has the worst trundlers - Kamboj, Khaleel
express bowling Posted April 5 Posted April 5 (edited) 4 hours ago, tapandrun said: Kamboj has massive backing not sure how and why, he has leap-froged multiple bowlers. There are reporters calling him allrounder when there were talks that bowler needs to bat a bit. He can not even hold the bat. If he is an allrounder than Thakur is a proper batter. Kamboj has an ER of 9.33 in the IPL with just 14 wickets from 13 matches. This is neither that economical nor that wicket-taking. Ashok himself has a very similar ER of 9.71 and it is likely to to go down significantly if he plays a full season. Why should he try to learn from Kamboj ? Edited April 5 by express bowling Mosher 1
govinda Posted April 5 Author Posted April 5 42 minutes ago, express bowling said: Kamboj has an ER of 9.33 in the IPL with just 14 wickets from 13 matches. This is neither that economical nor that wicket-taking. Ashok himself has a very similar ER of 9.71 and it is likely to to go down significantly if he plays a full season. Why should he try to learn from Kamboj ? But according to our desi commenteters line and length is more important then pace
Need4Speed Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Kamboj failed in some emerging cup tournament akready..whats the point.. If this isvwhat he can produce in his peak he is going to be mediocre only express bowling 1
Need4Speed Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Question is do we want trundlers or apparently safe bowlers who will keep tour team mediocre or you would like to invest in some raw high potential players who can make you a dominant force in an outside India.. tapandrun 1
vishalvirsingh Posted April 5 Posted April 5 13 hours ago, govinda said: My fear is that teams with genuine fast bowlers losing matches and teams that have trundlers galore winning. Hope stupid team managements don't drop them for trundlers. Already some indian commies going after ashok and tyagi over not bowling perfect line&length like gamboj @express bowling @vishalvirsingh @singhvivek141 @Rightarmfast @tapandrun bowling good line and length is always important and that is always going to Help. but medium pace 120 to 133k for international batsmen is very easy to handle - they jump 2 steps ahead and loft the ball...see now unadkat will be hit for more than 10 runs and will loose the match. singhvivek141 1
vishalvirsingh Posted April 5 Posted April 5 trundler unadkat bowling ..first 2 balls hit for 4 ..fifth ball hit for another 4. rishabh wins the match yesterday tushar bowled 140k yorkers and only 4 runs were scored off last over. express bowling 1
express bowling Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Team leading the table has Archer. Burger and Deshpande. Mosher, tapandrun and singhvivek141 3
Vk1 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 (edited) 13 hours ago, tapandrun said: Kamboj has massive backing not sure how and why, he has leap-froged multiple bowlers. There are reporters calling him allrounder when there were talks that bowler needs to bat a bit. He can not even hold the bat. If he is an allrounder than Thakur is a proper batter. Some experts were calling him fast 140+kmph where he does not even touch such speeds in t20s. Mukesh kumar is much better t20 option than kamboj. As for KKr the next options they have are Saini and Umran so that is also a wiin both are quick, though saini will not be a good pick Kamboj's PR with the allrounder narrative made us all fools Edited April 5 by Vk1 singhvivek141 and express bowling 2
singhvivek141 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Team leading the table has Archer. Burger and Deshpande. They wasted Ashok in nets for years. Thankfully GT selected him and have played him few games. RR is pretty happy with Sandeep Sharma and his slow, loopy 100kph cutters. Archer and Burger are respected, as they're foreigner. express bowling and Mosher 2
Vickydev Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Its so lopsided with LSG and Gujarat Titans collecting fast bowlers like pokemons, and leaving none for Chennai and RCB
AKane Posted April 5 Posted April 5 India's first love is spin. India's second love is medium pace. Indian establishment ( not fans ) abhors genuine pace. This is the land of Gandhi and his satya, ahimsa, satyagraha, dandi march. express bowling 1
express bowling Posted April 5 Posted April 5 (edited) 29 minutes ago, AKane said: India's first love is spin. India's second love is medium pace. Indian establishment ( not fans ) abhors genuine pace. Remember SKY saying in an interview, a couple of years back, that he has told the MI management that he will not face Bumrah in the nets to prevent getting injured. Indian cricket is run by batters. First love spin .... almost no risk of injury to batters. Second love medium pace .... minimum risk of injury to batters If they could get 10 year olds to bowl, they would prefer that over spinners. Edited April 5 by express bowling Mosher and AKane 2
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