Weekend matches and no fast bowlers

[singhvivek141]

Ok, will say straight from the heart.
For me, personally, it's extremely to sit and watch a game where the bowlers from both sides are trundlers.
My entire Sunday I kept the TV off and just followed score few times, because there was no proper bowler playing through between the teams. There was no player who can motivate me to sit through and watch the game.

I know scouts don't care about bowlers, they're just a "B" class citizen and mostly they believe it's the batting (and star power) which bring fans to the stadium. But still, fast bowling brings some excitement and fun into the game.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Ok, will say straight from the heart.
For me, personally, it's extremely to sit and watch a game where the bowlers from both sides are trundlers.
My entire Sunday I kept the TV off and just followed score few times, because there was no proper bowler playing through between the teams. There was no player who can motivate me to sit through and watch the game.

 

 

 

Same here bro !

 

 

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

and mostly they believe it's the batting (and star power) which bring fans to the stadium. But still, fast bowling brings some excitement and fun into the game.

 

 

The number of ads that Bumrah is getting shows that a good quality quick bowler can be immensely popular too. Otherwise he won't be getting ads.

 

The batsmen have far more clout in Indian cricket and they don't want exciting bowlers to share the popularity.

 

[vvvslaxman]

SRH and CSK bowling look pedestrian. Atleast KKR has Kartik Tyagi.

[singhvivek141]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

The number of ads that Bumrah is getting shows that a good quality quick bowler can be immensely popular too. Otherwise he won't be getting ads.

 

The batsmen have far more clout in Indian cricket and they don't want exciting bowlers to share the popularity.

 

 

Thing is despite Bumrah getting so many ads, he is still way behind in terms of marketability.

Just seeing the reaction of fans in stadium, their will be chants of Dhoni, Kohli, Rohit in the stadium...but not so much for Bumrah. 

 

On the post match analysis on youtube, most of the discussion happens around batters, barely a sentence or two for pacers. No encouraging words.

 

Even on "X", when some posters wrote about Ashok. Under that there are mandatory comments that speed doesbt matter, line length does. Its an automatic assumption that fast bowlers are erratic and trundlers are super duper accurate.

 

 

[Trichromatic]

Random ODI series of 2000s used to have more 150+ deliveries than whole of IPL in producing with matches involving 100s of players.

[Suhaan]

Yesterday Unadkat was the unstoppable force which made sure LSG wins on a really tough surface by going at more than 12rpo

 

You prepare sporting bouncy pitches fast bowlers will deliver the way they are expected to

You prepare sporting or slow or tacky or flat or whatever,you still will see likes of Undiekatta singlehandedly loosing it for their side 

 

[tweaker]

12 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

For me, personally, it's extremely to sit and watch a game where the bowlers from both sides are trundlers.
My entire Sunday I kept the TV off and just followed score few times, because there was no proper bowler playing through between the teams

Same here

Not watching the IPL for batsman,but for Ashok, Karthik, Mayank,Umran.

 

Sen,Tiwari should play this week 

[deepdynamo]

The problem with IPL is 'one dimesnional trundlers'. I don't mind a Deepak Chahar (who can contrinute with bat) or a Bhuvi (a good expereinced trundler). But most of the teams are still persisiting with many of these tried & testted trundlers due to past franchise IPL connections or seniorty quota.

 

Undakat, Harshal are so past their sell date that they should have been assistant IPL coaches by now.
Sandeep has no business playing modern T20 with his 120kph thunderbolts.
Mukesh & Avesh have been proven IPL failures for years.

Even the new ones like Kamboj, Vaibhav inspires no confidence.

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Random ODI series of 2000s used to have more 150+ deliveries than whole of IPL in producing with matches involving 100s of players.

Speed Guns are more accurate now.

 

[express bowling]

35 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Speed Guns are more accurate now.

 

 

Read somewhere that Speed readings are far more accurate 2011 onwards.

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Speed Guns are more accurate now.

 

 

Source?

[Trichromatic]

48 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Read somewhere that Speed readings are far more accurate 2011 onwards.

Which scientific advancements were lacking in 2000s?

[singhvivek141]

34 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Source?

There isn't one source which will clearly say that new speed guns are better than the old. But there are many research papers which has mentioned that how the hawk eye and radar capture speed at multiple points in the trajectory, leading to enhanced precision.

 

Just like smartphone cameras of 2011 were taking subpar videos under slightly dim conditions in comparison to present smartphones, the tech for speedgun too has improved by similar miles.

 

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/True-velocity-and-radar-speed-gun-measured-velocities-for-the-centre-line-serve-and-the_fig4_290623968#:~:text=View-,...,known as the cosine effect.

 

https://radargunsales.com/stalker-pro-ii-accuracy-and-range-at-its-best/?hl=en-IN#:~:text=The Stalker Pro II%2B has,is a bi-directional radar.

 

[tapandrun]

The issue here is perceived value of bowlers with white-ball variations, the scouts can not go and pick the fastest bowler they found in the scouting but are asked if that bowler has variations or not.

 

These days batters can hit 150 kmph bowling as well, the only bowling range they get late at is 155 kmph. 140-144 kmph is easy to hit if not bowled at good areas. 

But the bowlers with variations gives false results as they do well only for few games/seasons once batters know what are the variations they try to find a way and these bowlers looks ordinary, there have been no v.good bowler.

 

The only bowler of this kind that has been successful was bravo but he was a proper allrounder the seasons where he was not doing well he was able to make it with the bat and as he was an allrounder team wont expect you to bowl 4 overs every game.

 

Ind bowlers can not even hold bats, now add the inability to bowl at good pace they are good for 1-2 seasons and they just get picked because of perceived value in t20s.

 

There are not many 150+ kmph bowlers, no ipl team is ready to invest in 140-144 kmph bowler, so last option are those trundlers

 

RR had ashok on the bench last season dint get 1 match, but brijesh gets to play in 1st season 1st game, event when they had snadeep who is similar kind of bowler.

 

kkr preferred sakaria over umran for replacements , commentators are prasing kamboj when  they can not see tyagi bowling superbly.

 

srh has redundancy with their bowling line-up but still cannot give game to onkar and praful (not sure of their speeds though).

Pyne is same as unadkat,  reddy, malings, pyne, undakat are similar kind of bowler who rely on pace change nothing much though malinga is better has he can bowl 142 kmph hardlength plus add few yorkers. no team will have 2 145+kmph bowlers but they are happy to have multiple similar kind of trundlers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 10:06 PM by tapandrun

[Trichromatic]

On 4/6/2026 at 3:35 PM, singhvivek141 said:

There isn't one source which will clearly say that new speed guns are better than the old. But there are many research papers which has mentioned that how the hawk eye and radar capture speed at multiple points in the trajectory, leading to enhanced precision.

 

Just like smartphone cameras of 2011 were taking subpar videos under slightly dim conditions in comparison to present smartphones, the tech for speedgun too has improved by similar miles.

 

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/True-velocity-and-radar-speed-gun-measured-velocities-for-the-centre-line-serve-and-the_fig4_290623968#:~:text=View-,...,known as the cosine effect.

 

https://radargunsales.com/stalker-pro-ii-accuracy-and-range-at-its-best/?hl=en-IN#:~:text=The Stalker Pro II%2B has,is a bi-directional radar.

 

 

How is related to speed?

 

Ball speed is release speed, not overall speed.

 

Random comparisons with smartphones? High precision cameras were available and accessible in 2000s as well.

 

Mobile phones have made those portables.

 

Speed guns of 2000s were good enough to measure speed within range of 1-2 mph. How does it matter that any new speed gun measures it in say 1 mph?

 

Many people here think that older speed guns were consistently off by 5+ kph which is popular misconception without any scientific reasoning.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

On 4/6/2026 at 11:42 AM, tweaker said:

Same here

Not watching the IPL for batsman,but for Ashok, Karthik, Mayank,Umran.

 

Sen,Tiwari should play this week 

Kaun Tiwari?

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

Kaun Tiwari?

 

Naman Tiwary, LAF 

[zen]

Weekend is for having a good time with family and friends. Catching up on meaningful hobbies and even exercising if you do not exercise regularly.

 

Cricket matches are to be watched on weekdays and when you have nothing better to do unless there is an important do or die game. 
 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

On 4/6/2026 at 2:54 PM, Trichromatic said:

 

Source?

 

most broadcasters now use hawkeye type systems or kooka boora smartball type systems to get speed, this is much more accurate than doppler speed guns used in 2000s